Let me point out it took a lot of work to find your reply to this. You really should put your reply above all the last post. If that is true maybe I will just purchase IWork and their numbers program its only $82 anyway. I think its stupid to put Microsoft office on a Mac anyway if your really a Mac nut you should use Mac stuff. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of lras@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:59 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and development. -----Original Message----- >From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Feb 29, 2008 12:40 PM >To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: RE: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and development. > > > >I just installed a Mac at work with a 20 inch screen with no vision at all. >It not only has a talking install but it also gave me a tutorial on >Voice over when it started up. I am not a Mac nut and do not like the >interface but as for accessibility and doing everything you just >mentioned it is fully accessible and all you asked about is possible. >Something you will find coming from a window environment though is it >is very different and will be tough to switch to. After the switch >though it works well. I will say though that I have now installed >Ubuntu, Vista, and Mac and Mac was the easiest install. The voice is >very good and very responsive. I have not used Microsoft Office on it >yet or Iwork yet because we have not purchased a copy of it for the Mac >yet. That will happen in the next couple weeks though and then I will >be able to comment more from a Mac beginners stand point on how easy it is to use. > >I would suggest if you have a friend that loves his mac so much then do >some web browsing there is a Mac blind users group and there are >documents on all the key presses you need to know. Just go over to >your friends house and press the Apple key-F5 and your off and running >with a talking Mac. That way you would have him there to tell you when >you are messing things up. I do find one thing really annoying if your >not careful on your Desktop and application list you can rename everything just by pressing enter on it. >That's right you don't press enter to open an application you Press >Apple - O which is probably one of the hardest things to stop your >finger from doing. If you take your enter key off your Windows box a >month before you start using the Mac you might do ok. > >Ken > >-----Original Message----- >From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:20 AM >To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; >program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and development. > >Hi All. > >I'm sure this has been spoken about so many times but I've not been >interested before. > >One of the guys at work has been talking about his mac and I'm pretty >impressed. > >I'm thinking about one for home and I'm wondering about accessibility. >I know there's Voice Over which is the built in screen reader. How good >is this, how does it compare to the plethora of windows screen readers. > >Mostly I'd want to do email, office type applications, read books which >are plain text or html, brows the web, maybe a bit of IM. > >I'd also want to develop PHP on it and some C++. what are the >development environments like, how accessible are they? > >Any information gratefully received. >Cheers. >Nick. > > > >Nick Adamson >Software Engineer >General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited > >Email: nick.adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Tel: 01495 236467 >http://www.generaldynamics.uk.com > >General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited Bryn Brithdir, Units 3 & 4, >Oakdale Business Park, Oakdale, South Wales, >NP12 4AA. > > > >This email and any files attached are intended for the addressee and >may contain information of a confidential nature. 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