Message Ok, after totally deleting all .net and vs files, then running the two vs cleanup tools I found and re installing everything is peachy keen. So now onward and upward. Once again, thanks to Will and Dave for the help and advice, you guys rock. Che ----- Original Message ----- From: Will Pearson To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:46 AM Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: shortcut keys Hi Che, It does look like a bad install of the .Net Framework or Visual Basic Express. The error is referring to being unable to locate a component that should have been installed when you installed Visual Basic Express and the .Net Framework. If the repair doesn't solve the problem, you might like to try uninstalling Visual Basic Express and the .Net Framework 2.0, and then downloading and reinstalling it again, as it may have been a bad download. I think that previous versions of the .Net Framework refer to prior builds of the .Net Framework 2.0. You shouldn't have these unless you've previously installed an earlier version of one of the Visual Studio 2005 products, say one of the beta 1 products, or an earlier version of the .Net Framework 2.0. What are the details of the system on which you are trying to install to, as this may be a system specific problem. Thanks, Will ----- Original Message ----- From: Che To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 3:29 PM Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: shortcut keys Well, after looking up an error message I was getting, it looks like there are problems with installing VS 2005 when previous versions of the .net framework have been uninstalled, which might explain the problems I am getting. I am now trying to do a repair on my VS install in the hopes it will fix the affected files. Just a little update for ya... ----- Original Message ----- From: Che To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 8:50 AM Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: shortcut keys Hmm, I dunno guys. Maybe the express version is more crippled than I thought. I have tried many different ways of getting the button into my form, none of which has worked. I tried your suggestion of simply hitting the enter key on it in the toolbox with no result, using the jaws cursor to click on it, tried to copy and paste it with no success. Also, if I attempt to view designer, I get the error could not load type microsoft.VisualBasic.shell.interopt. blah blah Is this a limitation of express beta 2 or a bad install do you think? All I am doing is starting VS, selecting new project>windowsApplication then going to my form, which shows me the default start and end class lines. Should I maybe look at getting a different version of Studio? Thanks once again to both of you guys, and I was quite serious about donating to your favorite charity for the help, just let me know. Che ----- Original Message ----- From: Will Pearson To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 6:12 AM Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: shortcut keys Hi, To add to Mr. Lan'ts excellent answer, you can find lists of shortcut keys on the Microsoft website. Visual Studio 2005 has various keyboard schemes, with the keyboard shortcuts used to invoke functionality varying between the different keyboard schemes. This is really to help people transition to Visual Studio from earlier versions. You can find out which keyboard scheme you are currently using by looking at the options in tools > options > keyboard. The following web page gives a list of the keyboard shortcuts that are the same across all keyboard schemes, and gives a list of keyboard schemes that allows you to select one and view the keyboard shortcuts for that scheme, the page is at: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/da5kh0wa To add a bit more information about navigating the tool box. The tool box is arranged in a style similar to a tree control with two levels. The first level are the toolbox groups, which represent the types of controls you can place on a form, e.g. common controls, dialogs, etc. You can expand these using the right cursor key, and collapse them using the left cursor key. Within the toolbox groups there are toolbox items, which are the actual controls you can place on a form. If you press enter on a toolbox item then it will be placed on the form. To get back to the forms designer from the toolbox, simply press escape. Will ----- Original Message ----- From: David Lant To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: shortcut keys Hi Che, Just to answer your immediate problem first, all you need to do to put a button on your form, is open the toolbox with ctrl+alt+X, and then use the arrow keys to locate the button control and press enter. This normally drops the control at the top left of the form, or, if you already have controls on the form, it will drop it immediately below the control that is currently selected on the form designer. You can then move the control on the form using just the arrow keys, or ctrl+arrow keys for smaller increments. You can also resize the controls using shift+arrow keys, or shift+ctrl+arrow keys for smaller increments. Visual Studio itself has a helpful facility whereby you can look up the keyboard shortcuts for all the available commands and functions. You should be able to find the default shortcuts documented in the online help that comes with the product. I don't have the beta of Visual Basic Express, so I don't know whether the online help is actually included or not. The handy facility is in the Options item under the Tools menu. When you open this dialog, you get a tree view of the different sections that you can set within the Visual Studio environment. One of these is the Keyboard mappings. When you navigate to this section, there is a text box you can tab to where you can type in the start of the name of the command you are looking for, and it will then list all the commands that begin with that text, and show what keyboard shortcuts are assigned to each, if any. You can also override them, or add new ones where there aren't any. Visual Studio.NET, and subsequently Visual Studio 2005, allows you to have keyboard shortcuts for virtually everything you're ever likely to want to do, other than operate the mouse directly. Therefore, JAWS itself shouldn't really need to include many shortcuts of its own to help the blind programmer. I've even reported to the writer of the current VS.NET scripts supplied with JAWS, and suggested he remove some of the shortcuts included, as they're simply duplicating shortcuts already present in the development environment. The only things JAWS needs to provide are commands to control JAWS itself, such as providing feedback and customisation of prompts etc. Oh, and if you think that there are way too many commands to find enough keyboard shortcuts to assign to them all, then that's been thought of too. In Visual Studio.NET, you can assign two stage shortcuts. That is, you press one shortcut, to indicate a particular type of command is about to be issued, and then another to specify the actual one. An example of this is for commenting blocks of selected code. If you use the standard shift+arrow keys to select a few lines of code, and then press ctrl+K, and then press ctrl+C, you will comment out the selected block. To uncomment the block again, simply highlight the lines again, and press ctrl+K followed by ctrl+U. As you can see, by having these two stage keyboard shortcuts, you vastly increase the number and combination of shortcuts available to you. All the best, David -----Original Message----- From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Che Sent: 16 September 2005 11:45 To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [program-l] VB: shortcut keys Does anyone know where a current list of Visual Studio shortcut keys can be found? I tried the links at blindprogramming.com, but they are dead links. I am working through a tutorial that is asking me to drag a button from the toolbox onto my form, but obviously I can't do that one. I hope there are shortcuts for this kind of thing? I tried to do a copy and paste of the button from my toolbox, but that didn't work either. Thanks. Che Come check out the brand new football betting simulation designed with the blind in mind at http://linksforblinks.com