[program-l] Re: VB: shortcut keys
- From: "David Lant" <david.lant1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:50:35 +0100
Hi Che,
I didn't have that trouble when I last tried the VB Express beta. However,
that was before beta 2, so I couldn't guarantee that something hasn't been
broken since then. It does rather highlight that it *is* still a beta
product, and you are quite likely to find problems with it. That is why I
suggested you might want to wait until it is actually released. I don't
honestly think it's a good idea for someone wanting to start out on anything
to do so using an unfinished product.
If you have the funds available, you might be better to get hold of Visual
Basic.NET 2003 Standard Edition, as at least it is a released product. But
if you would rather work on the 2005 platform, then I'd recommend waiting
for it to be released.
All the best,
David
-----Original Message-----
From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Che
Sent: 17 September 2005 07:38
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: shortcut keys
Yah, but like I said the designer won't come up, I get that error message
each time.
Good grief, this is like pushing a piano up a mountain trying to get this
thing to work. Did you all have this much trouble when you installed VS?
I have found some information about my problem out there, but none of the
answers I have found are working. I finally tracked down a VS cleanup tool
that is supposed to fix my problem, but it didn't work either.
Any ideas?
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lant <mailto:david.lant1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: shortcut keys
Hi Che,
Ummm, I may be being a little too literal here, but if you're opening your
form such that you see the start and end class lines, then you're in the
code editor, not the form designer. You need to have the form designer up
to be able to add controls to the form.
to bring up the form designer when you're in the code editor, just pres
shift+f7. Then follow the advice regarding adding controls.
All the best,
David
-----Original Message-----
From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Che
Sent: 17 September 2005 02:50
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: shortcut keys
Hmm, I dunno guys. Maybe the express version is more crippled than I
thought. I have tried many different ways of getting the button into my
form, none of which has worked. I tried your suggestion of simply hitting
the enter key on it in the toolbox with no result, using the jaws cursor to
click on it, tried to copy and paste it with no success.
Also, if I attempt to view designer, I get the error could not load type
microsoft.VisualBasic.shell.interopt. blah blah
Is this a limitation of express beta 2 or a bad install do you think?
All I am doing is starting VS, selecting new project>windowsApplication
then going to my form, which shows me the default start and end class lines.
Should I maybe look at getting a different version of Studio?
Thanks once again to both of you guys, and I was quite serious about
donating to your favorite charity for the help, just let me know.
Che
----- Original Message -----
From: Will Pearson <mailto:will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 6:12 AM
Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: shortcut keys
Hi,
To add to Mr. Lan'ts excellent answer, you can find lists of shortcut keys
on the Microsoft website. Visual Studio 2005 has various keyboard schemes,
with the keyboard shortcuts used to invoke functionality varying between the
different keyboard schemes. This is really to help people transition to
Visual Studio from earlier versions. You can find out which keyboard scheme
you are currently using by looking at the options in tools > options >
keyboard. The following web page gives a list of the keyboard shortcuts
that are the same across all keyboard schemes, and gives a list of keyboard
schemes that allows you to select one and view the keyboard shortcuts for
that scheme, the page is at:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/da5kh0wa
To add a bit more information about navigating the tool box. The tool box
is arranged in a style similar to a tree control with two levels. The first
level are the toolbox groups, which represent the types of controls you can
place on a form, e.g. common controls, dialogs, etc. You can expand these
using the right cursor key, and collapse them using the left cursor key.
Within the toolbox groups there are toolbox items, which are the actual
controls you can place on a form. If you press enter on a toolbox item then
it will be placed on the form. To get back to the forms designer from the
toolbox, simply press escape.
Will
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lant <mailto:david.lant1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: shortcut keys
Hi Che,
Just to answer your immediate problem first, all you need to do to put a
button on your form, is open the toolbox with ctrl+alt+X, and then use the
arrow keys to locate the button control and press enter. This normally
drops the control at the top left of the form, or, if you already have
controls on the form, it will drop it immediately below the control that is
currently selected on the form designer. You can then move the control on
the form using just the arrow keys, or ctrl+arrow keys for smaller
increments. You can also resize the controls using shift+arrow keys, or
shift+ctrl+arrow keys for smaller increments.
Visual Studio itself has a helpful facility whereby you can look up the
keyboard shortcuts for all the available commands and functions. You should
be able to find the default shortcuts documented in the online help that
comes with the product. I don't have the beta of Visual Basic Express, so I
don't know whether the online help is actually included or not.
The handy facility is in the Options item under the Tools menu. When you
open this dialog, you get a tree view of the different sections that you can
set within the Visual Studio environment. One of these is the Keyboard
mappings. When you navigate to this section, there is a text box you can
tab to where you can type in the start of the name of the command you are
looking for, and it will then list all the commands that begin with that
text, and show what keyboard shortcuts are assigned to each, if any. You
can also override them, or add new ones where there aren't any.
Visual Studio.NET, and subsequently Visual Studio 2005, allows you to have
keyboard shortcuts for virtually everything you're ever likely to want to
do, other than operate the mouse directly. Therefore, JAWS itself shouldn't
really need to include many shortcuts of its own to help the blind
programmer. I've even reported to the writer of the current VS.NET scripts
supplied with JAWS, and suggested he remove some of the shortcuts included,
as they're simply duplicating shortcuts already present in the development
environment. The only things JAWS needs to provide are commands to control
JAWS itself, such as providing feedback and customisation of prompts etc.
Oh, and if you think that there are way too many commands to find enough
keyboard shortcuts to assign to them all, then that's been thought of too.
In Visual Studio.NET, you can assign two stage shortcuts. That is, you
press one shortcut, to indicate a particular type of command is about to be
issued, and then another to specify the actual one. An example of this is
for commenting blocks of selected code. If you use the standard shift+arrow
keys to select a few lines of code, and then press ctrl+K, and then press
ctrl+C, you will comment out the selected block. To uncomment the block
again, simply highlight the lines again, and press ctrl+K followed by
ctrl+U. As you can see, by having these two stage keyboard shortcuts, you
vastly increase the number and combination of shortcuts available to you.
All the best,
David
-----Original Message-----
From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Che
Sent: 16 September 2005 11:45
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-l] VB: shortcut keys
Does anyone know where a current list of Visual Studio shortcut keys can
be found? I tried the links at blindprogramming.com, but they are dead
links.
I am working through a tutorial that is asking me to drag a button from
the toolbox onto my form, but obviously I can't do that one. I hope there
are shortcuts for this kind of thing? I tried to do a copy and paste of the
button from my toolbox, but that didn't work either.
Thanks.
Che
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