Can you compare Ruby on Rails with Grails? I mean other than the obvious difference in the primary language. I have been learning Ruby on Rails but am also open to Grails, so wonder how they compare in capabilities, friendliness, accessibility, etc.
Also, can you compare Groovy with Scala and Grails with Lift? Of course, anyone else should feel free to give comparisons as well. In fact, I'm copying this to the other main list for blind programmers in case folks there are interested as well (reply to all to address both lists).
Jamal -----Original Message-----From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Stofflett
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 12:02 PM To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [program-l] Re: Eclipse, Spring and HibernateWhile I don't have anything to add to Kerneel's post if your looking to do simple to moderitly complex java web programming you should take a look at Grails. It is a web framework similar to Ruby on Rails, runs on the JVM, and uses Groovy as it's language. Groovy is quite similar to Java, but doesn't require nearly as much boiler plate code and has nice features such as dynamic programming and closures. Since Groovy runs on the JVM and has a similar syntax calling existing Java code is trivial. This allows you to leverage any existing Java library as well as other legacy Java code. Grails also uses Spring and Hybernate under the covers but hides most of the complexity using convention over configuration. I've done several projects with Grails and find it to be productive. Do to the lack of boilerplate code such as getters and setters I also find that a command prompt and text editor work well and don't require the use of an IDE. For more info see
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Grails_%28framework%29If you really want to learn Spring and Hibernate another option is Spring Roo. It's basically a code generator on steroids that uses aspect oriented programming to hide most of the boilerplate. I don't have nearly as much experience with this though. More info can be found at https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Spring_Roo
On 8/23/10, Kerneels Roos <kerneels@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi there, Eclipse is an IDE of course, meaning it's only a tool for coding, debugging and organising your project in a sensible way. I'm not sure if Eclipse has a GUI builder, you know, the drag-n-drop kind of visual GUI builders that are common in Visual Studio. Once you know what you are doing, it's generally a good idea to switch to using an IDE for any medium to large project. It makes sense to start out with a simple text editor and command line compiler, but soon you will need an integrated debugger and all the other nice things an IDE offers. Hibernate is an ORM -- Object Relational Mapper system which is a very mature project by now -- it's been around for a while and many people use it extensively I believe. Basically you define your data model in special XML files and then it makes persisting objects a breeze even if the objects contain collections of other objects and so on. Hibernate also has a special query language HQL which is a powerful extension to SQL allowing you to do object queries. It's really awesome. You can also check out NHibernate for .Net. So it's not a particular program, more like an API you can use from within your code. Spring is an application framework for building large, multi tiered applications or web aplications. It's pretty involved and really only makes sense if your project needs to be of an enterprise standard with many layers -- one for persistance, one for business logic, one for the view or user interface and so on. What I'm saying is it's not for the beginner, and it's not for your average web or desktop app. It's a big boy, and it's like a collection of APIs and a methodology for how to structure most parts of your application. HTH and hope it's not all old hat for you already -- i.e. my post is redundant! Cheers On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:58 PM, LU OGBE <oluogbe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hi, The thing is I had a very frustrating experience trying to get VStudio 2008 and SQL 2008 to work on my system. I don't know if it's because I was trying to install the full system but I had to do loads of system restores before it finally sort of started working. Then I found out that I can't use Solution management studio on Vista 64 bit. Now I have upgraded my system to windows 7 64bit. I will like to learn either Java or C# in no particular order, but will like to eventually learn web development using an IDE. I don't mind learning to use VStudio and SQL, but all the installation and configuration guides seem to be for the express editions of the applications & I've got the full application. So if someone can tell me how to install VStudio 2008 and SQL 2008 on my windows 7 64bit system for c# and web development, I will really appreciate. Thanks in advance. *NB* I'm running JAWS 11 Regards, LU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Birkir Rnar Gunnarsson" < birkir.gunnarsson@xxxxxxxxx> To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:03 PM Subject: [program-l] Re: Eclipse, Spring and Hibernate I]m a little confusedEclipse is not "easier" IDE than visual studio, unless you prefer to start in Java over, say, c#, the IDE is similar, thehot keys are slightly different. I really like it, but I like visual studio just as well. If you want simple programming interfaces with few functionalities, well, you may just want to use notepad and command line. If you want a fully featured IDE, Eclipse is great for Java, and there are plug ins for several other languages, but you can alsojust use visual studio, it will not be any less difficult to learn. For web development, you have to set up a web server, I]d imagine, though, honestly, I can use a few tips on that aspect as well, since I]ve never written Java server side code. Cheers =B On 8/22/10, LU OGBE <oluogbe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hello, I have decided to explore using eclipse for java development & later web development, till I'm brave enough to try visual studio again :) However, I know it might be a little early to ask this question, but what is the difference between eclipse, spring and hibernate? I tried to read them up but I'm still a little confused. I read that Spring is also a development framework, & can be used for web development as well. So my questions are: - will it be better to try out spring instead of eclipse? - What do I need to use eclipse for web development? - Is it possible to use eclipse for c# development? Thanks in advance. 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