[program-l] Re: Eclipse, Spring and Hibernate
- From: LU OGBE <oluogbe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:03:26 +0100
Hi,
Thanks for breaking it down like that. It makes more sense that way.
The main reason I considered Eclipse instead of Visual Studio is because of the
complexity of installing SQL server & Visual studio. I'm trying to avoid having
to restore my system if I don't get it right.
Think I'll just give it a shot tomorrow & keep my fingers crossed. Thanks again.
Regards,
LU
----- Original Message -----
From: Kerneels Roos
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:39 PM
Subject: [program-l] Re: Eclipse, Spring and Hibernate
Hi there,
Eclipse is an IDE of course, meaning it's only a tool for coding, debugging
and organising your project in a sensible way. I'm not sure if Eclipse has a
GUI builder, you know, the drag-n-drop kind of visual GUI builders that are
common in Visual Studio. Once you know what you are doing, it's generally a
good idea to switch to using an IDE for any medium to large project. It makes
sense to start out with a simple text editor and command line compiler, but
soon you will need an integrated debugger and all the other nice things an IDE
offers.
Hibernate is an ORM -- Object Relational Mapper system which is a very mature
project by now -- it's been around for a while and many people use it
extensively I believe. Basically you define your data model in special XML
files and then it makes persisting objects a breeze even if the objects contain
collections of other objects and so on. Hibernate also has a special query
language HQL which is a powerful extension to SQL allowing you to do object
queries. It's really awesome. You can also check out NHibernate for .Net. So
it's not a particular program, more like an API you can use from within your
code.
Spring is an application framework for building large, multi tiered
applications or web aplications. It's pretty involved and really only makes
sense if your project needs to be of an enterprise standard with many layers --
one for persistance, one for business logic, one for the view or user interface
and so on. What I'm saying is it's not for the beginner, and it's not for your
average web or desktop app. It's a big boy, and it's like a collection of APIs
and a methodology for how to structure most parts of your application.
HTH and hope it's not all old hat for you already -- i.e. my post is
redundant!
Cheers
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:58 PM, LU OGBE <oluogbe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
The thing is I had a very frustrating experience trying to get VStudio 2008
and SQL 2008 to work on my system. I don't know if it's because I was trying to
install the full system but I had to do loads of system restores before it
finally sort of started working. Then I found out that I can't use Solution
management studio on Vista 64 bit.
Now I have upgraded my system to windows 7 64bit. I will like to learn
either Java or C# in no particular order, but will like to eventually learn web
development using an IDE.
I don't mind learning to use VStudio and SQL, but all the installation and
configuration guides seem to be for the express editions of the applications &
I've got the full application.
So if someone can tell me how to install VStudio 2008 and SQL 2008 on my
windows 7 64bit system for c# and web development, I will really appreciate.
Thanks in advance.
*NB* I'm running JAWS 11
Regards,
LU
----- Original Message ----- From: "Birkir Rúnar Gunnarsson"
<birkir.gunnarsson@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: [program-l] Re: Eclipse, Spring and Hibernate
I]m a little confused
Eclipse is not "easier" IDE than visual studio, unless you prefer to
start in Java over, say, c#, the IDE is similar, thehot keys are
slightly different. I really like it, but I like visual studio just as
well.
If you want simple programming interfaces with few functionalities,
well, you may just want to use notepad and command line.
If you want a fully featured IDE, Eclipse is great for Java, and there
are plug ins for several other languages, but you can alsojust use
visual studio, it will not be any less difficult to learn.
For web development, you have to set up a web server, I]d imagine,
though, honestly, I can use a few tips on that aspect as well, since
I]ve never written Java server side code.
Cheers
=B
On 8/22/10, LU OGBE <oluogbe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello,
I have decided to explore using eclipse for java development & later web
development, till I'm brave enough to try visual studio again :)
However, I know it might be a little early to ask this question, but
what is
the difference between eclipse, spring and hibernate? I tried to read
them
up but I'm still a little confused.
I read that Spring is also a development framework, & can be used for
web
development as well. So my questions are:
- will it be better to try out spring instead of eclipse?
- What do I need to use eclipse for web development?
- Is it possible to use eclipse for c# development?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
LU
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