I don't remember the whole threads on this, but I was sure at one time at least someone mentioned safe mode. Yes, if it you don't have it in safe mode then it's not hardware causing it. F5 puts a PC in safe mode, so that's not it. F6 is what you press just before the install when it asks about 3rd party drivers, usually for controllers like non-native HD controllers (VIA, Silicon Image, Promise, etc.), or SCSI cards. A PSU has nothing to do with drivers. So it was no doubt the HD controller on the mobo or controller card. These however can be changed in Windows via the Device Manager, but you of course have to know they are the culprit. -Clint God Bless Clint Hamilton, Owner http://www.OrpheusComputing.com http://www.ComputersCustomBuilt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryB" Just wanted to followup on this message as Wil, the gentleman that is working on my problem has told me that it is fixed. I do not understand much about what he said was wrong but it had to do with reinstalling the OS Windows XP Pro on the new 80g HD and the drivers that are installed. He said that when you bootup something about hitting F6 for the drivers windows thinks I need and hitting F5 which brings up a list of the actual driver I was using. I may not have this right so I hope it is making sense to someone out there. He did say that you would not get the BSOD when in Safe Mode so that kind of told him a driver was the problem. He also said the driver had to do with the power supply or something that drove the MB. That's the best I can do without making notes when he is telling me all this. Hope this helps some one else someday. LarryB K & L Electronics South Carolina Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin-OrpheusComputing. com & ComputersCustomBuilt. com wrote: You never were able to find out anything from that Debug program? Some time back when I was having BSOD's before the mobo went bad, the Debug program actually told me what was causing it, and it was a .sys file in Kaspersky. They've since fixed that in a new version. It's best just to reformat when it starts costing you money. It's faster in the long run, and certainly cheaper. (The footers Larry). ;-) -Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryB" Well, I met my match for sure. I was unable to fix this problem so I took it to someone that is professionally in the business. (by the way our last communique, he has less hair.)I'll let you know when it is fixed if ever. I have checked many resources to no avail. Most say good luck finding the cause. LarryB K & L Electronics South Carolina Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin-OrpheusComputing. com & ComputersCustomBuilt. com wrote: Many people do, (I always do), and there's no easy solution to it. It can be software, or it can be hardware causing it. The only thing I can suggest is to install that Debugger from M$ and see what it says. Go to the area like you're going to the Device Manager, but instead click the "Advanced" tab, then under "Startup and Recovery" click "Advanced Settings". Then under "System Failure" check the first box, then in the drop-down I'd suggest trying the Kernel dump first. If that takes too long or locks up the PC, then select the "Small memory dump". This will write the info into a file in that Minidump folder, hopefully. Then you can open that Debugger and load the .dmp file and see if it will tell you anything. Usually you can just drag the dmp file to the program after you open it. http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtools/debugging/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtools/debugging/installx86.mspx The dmp files are not always created on BSOD's while starting or shutting down, so it may or may not create one. In my case, I'm pretty sure my BSOD's are caused by a bad motherboard. -Clint -----1st Original Message ----- From: "LarryB" I get the blue screen on shut down with the following info. IRQL_not_less_or_equal. 0x0000000A (0x000000B0,0x00000002,0x00000000,0x804EA44F) I have visited M$ and didn't learn much that was useful to me. I have installed a Kodak printer but removing it does not solve the problem. It is a all in one type printer. This is my home computer using XP Home and it is a Dell laptop. When this happens I have to hit the power button and hold it to turn it off. I can then turn it back on with no problem and nothing seems to be wrong otherwise. I have checked for malware with spybot, AVG, and Spysweeper. Nothing unusual. M$ says it could be a driver! Good how do you find the one that is the culprit? ========================= The list's FAQ's can be seen by sending an email to PCWorks-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with FAQ in the subject line. 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