Hi Ekhart, Monday, June 28, 2004, 4:42:31 AM, you wrote: EGlnl> You learn something new every day. Perhaps "trojan virus" is not only a EGlnl> somewhat sloppy way of saying trojan (horse) malware, which is however EGlnl> understandable and perhaps acceptable because "virus" is more widespread EGlnl> than "malware" as the colloquial generic term for all pernicious programs. EGlnl> http://xtra.co.nz/help/0,,5739-544116,00.html EGlnl> "Trojan virus" is perhaps also a new technical term, although i haven't EGlnl> been able to find this use anywhere else than on CNN, which is famous EGlnl> for providing up-to-date but superficial info: EGlnl> A Trojan virus, like a Trojan horse, is a program that appears safe -- EGlnl> but smuggles in a worm or virus. EGlnl> www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/06/25/internet.attack/ I agree; it looks like someone was sloppy. A trojan horse is a program which is specifically written to look good, but has a hidden motive. Reproduction occurs when someone else executes a copy of it on their computer. A virus is a program which infects other programs and gives them a new motive. Reproduction occurs when someone else executes a copy of the host on their computer. A worm is a program which is capable of self-reproduction, and does not need to infect other programs. I suppose a trojan virus could be considered a virus that hides itself (some damage the host program so that it no longer performs its' original function, thereby making their presence obvious; most of these are just poorly-written), although this would seem to be an unnecessary and trivial distinction, considering that most hide themselves successfully. After looking over several web sites, it appears that peple are using it like this: "When I run a norton scan on it, it shows up that I have the download.trojan virus" I suspect that this is a case of a user thinking that anything reported by an antivirus program must be a virus, therefore "download.trojan" must be a virus, even though it's actually not. I further suspect that other sites use the same phrase so that people who don't know what a trojan is (other than a US brand of condom) will understand that it's not good. --Scott. -------list-services-below----------- Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Latest news live feeds at http://modecideas.com/indexhomenews.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.