Hi Robert, Friday, June 11, 2004, 6:13:41 AM, you wrote: RM> Our tables have been full for several weeks but not because of virus. Most RM> people here are getting better on keeping up there AV though we have had RM> some that run two or three and mess things up. But what is making work for RM> us it the spy ware. We are almost swamped by machines coming in that won't RM> work because so much malware and Trojans. It is good for business but does RM> keep us from doing 'real' computer work. It's easy in the Army -- anyone who somehow manages to get any on their system in spite of the various protections against it loses their computer, login access, and data. An excellent incentive for getting a clue. :) Right now, I've been seeing a bunch of lightning-related problems, more than I've ever seen before -- been lots of storms passing over Texas for the last couple of weeks. For those of you who do NOT leave your computers on all the time like I do, it's important to be sure to turn off your monitor, printer, cable/DSL modem, etc., at the power strip, or unplug the power strip entirely, when a storm is approaching. For the computer, turning it off from the button on the front of the case, or letting Windows turn it off, is NOT sufficient. You must turn the computer off using the switch on the BACK of the computer (if you have one), or by turning off or unplugging the power strip. The reason for the distinction is that Windows, and the button on the front, do a SOFT power-off, in which power continues to run through the system so that it can detect the button-press. The switch on the back physically cuts off the power. Note also that phone lines are a "popular" way for computers to get fried, so unplug them also, and you should probably do the same for the network or USB cable between the computer and cable modem (the TV cable is not easy to disconnect from the cable modem), even though I haven't heard of any cable modems getting fried by lightning. --Scott. -------list-services-below----------- Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Latest news live feeds at http://modecideas.com/indexhomenews.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.