Hi Billy Yes, there are many ways to get malware without spending time on obviously suspect pages. It seems the most common way is to first get infected with a "harmless" browser hijacker that then results in a malicious one. I don't know enough about this to say whether the first just lowers your defenses or whether it's actually in cahoots with the second wave. It seems even respectable sites are getting increasingly involved with the adware business, which is often only a short step from spyware and worse. Yahoo and even Google are openly fraternizing with very dubious company. Recently Spybot's automatic download blocker informed me that pcmag.com tried to download DoubleClick. I'll have to ask on the Firefox forum whether Spybot is just overly sensitive or whether Doubleclick could have got past Firefox's defenses if i didn't have Spybot installed and its download blocker turned on (Immunize on the main menu). I have often criticized PC Mag before, but i must admit they have interesting articles. Those by Dvorak would be enough to make a visit worthwhile. The newest one is especially interesting www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1601482,00.asp I suppose the date 11 days ahead of today is an error, or do they always publish articles in the online version two weeks ahead of the print version? (If you need help with "bupkes": www.word-detective.com/052699.html#bupkes) > However, do I understand that if I'd closed down the AVG control centre, the > program you told me to use would have not told me to run AVG and then > deleted the trojan if I right clicked on the file it found? Yes and no. First of all, TDS never told you to run AVG. That was AVG telling you to run AVG. (It said "AVG Resident Shield" at the top of that warning.) You see what happende was that AVG noticed when TDS tried to scan the trojan and prevented access by TDS. (Now you can imagine what kind of a mess computers can be in when people have more than one antivirus program running at the same time -- you can have Ad-aware and Spybot and SpywareBlaster and SpywareGuard running at the same time though). If you'd shut down the AVG Control Center, that would not have turned off AVG. To do that, you have to open the Control Center and disable the so-called Resident Shield there. Ek -------list-services-below----------- Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Latest news live feeds at http://modecideas.com/indexhomenews.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.