Hi Eric, Try turning off your "RESTORE" function if you are using win XP. Anything in Restore is protected from everything else and if the bug is in there, it just reappears after each startup. Turn it off and then run your bug catchers and such. then turn back on of course. shubert Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Latest news live feeds at http://modecideas.com/indexhomenews.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.