My point was NOT "every european DBA sucks" my point was simply "there are also european and american DBAs that suck" I face constant racism from both the customer and the dbas and managers in europe because I'm from South America, I guess you just touched a nerve with your comment. Looking back to this thread I am sorry I posted that, I was wrong in doing so and in the future will do my best to keep my posts to the technical side. I would also like to ask everyone to stop these replies so as to not clog the list, feel free to reply directly to me, though (I deserve it ;-) ) Alan.- On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Nuno Souto <dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Good for you. I couldn't care less what you take offense to, either. > > -- > Cheers > Nuno Souto > in cold Sydney, Australia > dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Guillermo Alan Bort wrote,on my timestamp of 17/06/2010 10:29 PM: > >> As a Service Delivery DBA I take offense to that. It is my experience >> (with europeans) that their skills are not great, they work extremeley short >> hours, take vacation time every 2 months and earn about 5-10 times what I >> earn delivering a very good service (not me alone, of course). So, having >> local DBAs may feel better, but there is a very high level of skills out >> there and for a very low cost... specially for 24x7 active coverage. >> >> And 10-30k sounds right for offshoring DBA services with a reasonable >> level of expertise. >> >> cheers. >> Alan.- >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Nuno Souto <dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto: >> dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >> >> I can offshore it for less than that. >> But I thought we were talking about a job that requires certain >> technical and IT qualifications, not just picking bananas... >> >> > > >