Re: salary idea

From: Kellyn Pedersen <kjped1313@xxxxxxxxx>
To: mzito@xxxxxxxxxxx, post.ethan@xxxxxxxxx, " Bambi \(Comsys\)Bellows" <bbel5@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, shaaban80@xxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
I would only settle for a DBA 2.0 that was backward compatible to DBA 1.0... :)


Kellyn
 
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From: Alaa Shaaban <shaaban80@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: salary idea
To: mzito@xxxxxxxxxxx, post.ethan@xxxxxxxxx, "Bellows, Bambi (Comsys)" 
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Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 8:50 PM






DBA 2.0 is the name of the game
Cheers
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From: "Matthew Zito" <mzito@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:28:15 -0400
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Subject: RE: salary idea



Ethan,
 
We’re a company whose business is driving efficiency in the database tier 
through software – and what we’ve found is that people have cut so deep 
already, there’s nothing left to cut, and they’re actually turning to software 
like ours just so they can keep up with the business obligations they have.  
These people want to automate, but not so they can reduce the number of DBAs, 
just so they can keep their heads above water.
 
I think there is an increasing demand, as lots of organizations that put 
projects on hold in 2009 are starting to execute on them in 2010, and 
accordingly not only do a lot of shops only have enough team to keep the lights 
on today, but they are scrambling to do all of the upgrades, refreshes, 
migrations, new app deployments that didn’t get done in 2009.  I have lots of 
customers that are trying to hire, and I’m a firm believer that no matter how 
bad the economy gets, the really top-notch folks are hard to find.
 
Matt
 




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Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:25 PM
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Subject: Re: salary idea
 
If that is the case and perhaps it is it can only mean that demand is 
increasing and supply is decreasing, or we are seeing inflation. Since I 
believe we are currently in a deflationary cycle the latter is not likely. If 
salaries are on the rise I would not expect that to hold true for long. For 
one, there are still many areas of our profession that can still be 
commoditized and there are now and will continue to be financial pressures from 
the economy to continue to cut costs and to drive out inefficiency. Think 
Oracle doesn't have plans to manage your databases? Just because they can't do 
it today don't think they won't be able to someday and that they don't have 
bright people thinking about how to do it. What is going to drive all this is 
the struggling economy which I believe is going to continue for many years to 
come. The other issue is the economy, there is no real recovery (my opinion) 
and we are headed into many years of trouble. This means less
 spending in all non governmental sectors, less investment and high 
unemployment. That is lower demand and higher supply. All of this is going to 
add up to lower salaries in the future. If salaries do go higher it will be 
when inflation eventually kicks in and your buying power will not be any higher.

Fun conversation, hopefully I did not stray too much off topic. I have been 
studying economics for the past couple years as a hobby. If any of this 
interests you and you are looking for one good blogger to read on this subject 
I would recommend Mish Shedlock (just google Mish). There is also a good Google 
Talk by Mish on youtube.




On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Bellows, Bambi (Comsys) <bbel5@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:


Actually, I’m with Kellyn.  The price of DBAs is finally heading back up.
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