There is an opportunity for training, offsite training also. I was thinking OpenWorld could work just as well if not better. I need to write up justification and benefits for the training. I will have to look at MySQL here shortly I believe for backup/recovery. Can anyone comment on whether OpenWorld would be just as good if not better than a 'course' out there. (I have not really gotten what I wanted out of a lot of courses at oracle itself). If so, then why? Thank you, Joel Patterson Database Administrator 904 727-2546 -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l