Re: Create 12c or 18c database in traditional architecture

  • From: Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Franck Pachot <franck@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:51:20 -0400

Hi!

It doesn't work from PDB, but it does work from CDB. I agree that this is an annoyance.


[oracle@ora18c ~]$ sql / as sysdba

SQLcl: Release 17.3.0 Production on Wed Aug 29 11:47:29 2018

Copyright (c) 1982, 2018, Oracle.  All rights reserved.

Connected to:
Oracle Database 18c Enterprise Edition Release 18.0.0.0.0 - Production
Version 18.3.0.0.0


SQL> alter session set container=ORCLPDB;

Session altered.

SQL> select dbms_metadata.get_ddl('VIEW','DBA_USERS') from dual;

Error starting at line : 1 in command -
select dbms_metadata.get_ddl('VIEW','DBA_USERS') from dual
Error at Command Line : 1 Column : 1
Error report -
SQL Error: ORA-00904: "DBMS_METADATA"."GET_DDL": invalid identifier
00904. 00000 -  "%s: invalid identifier"
*Cause:
*Action:
SQL>
Disconnected from Oracle Database 18c Enterprise Edition Release 18.0.0.0.0 - Production
Version 18.3.0.0.0
[oracle@ora18c ~]$ sql / as sysdba

SQLcl: Release 17.3.0 Production on Wed Aug 29 11:48:07 2018

Copyright (c) 1982, 2018, Oracle.  All rights reserved.

Connected to:
Oracle Database 18c Enterprise Edition Release 18.0.0.0.0 - Production
Version 18.3.0.0.0



SQL> select dbms_metadata.get_ddl('VIEW','DBA_USERS') from dual;

DBMS_METADATA.GET_DDL('VIEW','DBA_USERS')
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  CREATE OR REPLACE FORCE NONEDITIONABLE VIEW "SYS"."DBA_USERS" ("USERNAME", "U


SQL>



On 08/29/2018 11:27 AM, Franck Pachot wrote:


Hi all,

In the little annoyances when going to CDB, the major problems I see are related to dictionary views that are partly broken. Things like:

Connected to:
Oracle Database 18c Enterprise Edition Release 18.0.0.0.0 - Production
Version 18.3.0.0.0
SQL> alter session set container=pdb1;
Session altered.
SQL> select dbms_metadata.get_ddl('VIEW','DBA_USERS') from dual;
ERROR:
ORA-31603: object "DBA_USERS" of type VIEW not found in schema "SYS"
ORA-06512: at "SYS.DBMS_METADATA", line 6681
ORA-06512: at "SYS.DBMS_SYS_ERROR", line 105
ORA-06512: at "SYS.DBMS_METADATA", line 6668
ORA-06512: at "SYS.DBMS_METADATA", line 9672
ORA-06512: at line 1

Which will probably never been fixed. Probably not a problem in production but I've seen several homemade development frameworks failing on PDB when reading metadata. So it is not only the application and the DBA scripts that have to be tested. The whole tools covering the whole development life-cycle as well.

Regards,
Franck.






On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 5:11 PM Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gogala.mladen@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    Hi Neil!

    Multi-tenant doesn't make any sense because the resources it will
    save
    are much, much cheaper than the cost of the multi-tenant option.
    Also,
    the competitors (DB2, SQL Server, SAP Hana) are all allowing
    creation of
    additional databases for free. I don't see why would I need to pay
    for
    the same feature with Oracle?

    Regards


    On 08/29/2018 09:23 AM, Neil Chandler wrote:
    > Personally I think multi-tenant a decent feature but it is cost
    > prohibitive for what you get in return.

-- Mladen Gogala
    Database Consultant
    Tel: (347) 321-1217

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--
Mladen Gogala
Database Consultant
Tel: (347) 321-1217

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