RE: Certifications don't count! (from a good test-taker)
- From: M Rafiq <rafiq9857@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <dannorris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:45:47 -0400
However, if you go through the recruiters then 'certification' is the only
criteria (due to lack of their knowledge) to submit your resume with their
client.
Same is true with some big consulting companies where they prefer to hire
candidates with some sort of certification and put them on their client site to
'impress' them.
No doubt it is quite bad practice and there is no replacement of experience.
Regards
Rafiq> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:30:19 -0600> From: dannorris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx> CC: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re:
Certifications don't count! (from a good test-taker)> > Nuno,> > I completely
agree. In fact, I've never even had an OCM show up as a > candidate for hire
even though the qualifications for some positions > have been in line with
OCM-level knowledge. I do think, though, that > certification is sometimes used
as a differentiator when there are two > candidates with similar experience and
skill (at least on a resume), but > only one has certification. I don't
necessarily think that's fair and it > may not result in the best candidate
getting the interview, but when > filtering a stack of resumes down to a few
that get interviews, you have > to apply some sort of criteria.> > Dan> > Nuno
Souto wrote:> > Hmmm, given that there are around 200 there and it is> >
worldwide, I'd say basing interview selection criteria> > on solely the
producing of an OCM is a bit short-sighted...> > Who knows, there might
actually be good dbas out there> > who don't give a fig about paying through
their noses> > for a "certification"?> >> > Cheers> > Nuno Souto> > in
(finally!) sunny Sydney, Australia> > dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> > Dan Norris
wrote,on my timestamp of 10/06/2008 1:44 AM:> >> For verification, you can just
look online at > >> http://www.oracle.com/technology/ocm/> >>> >> If they
aren't listed there, they may still be an OCM, but if they're > >> on the page,
they're an OCM since Oracle Ed maintains that page. As > >> far as I know, OCM
credentials have no expiration, though at some > >> point, they're probably
outdated and not much help.> >>> >> Dan> >>> >> daniel koehne wrote:> >>> A
couple of years ago I got very frustrated when dealing with Oracle> >>>
Certifications. On both occasions I needed Oracle to verify that a> >>>
certification was valid (i.e. the person claiming to have a> >>> certification
actually had one) but Oracle went out of their way to> >>> make verification
difficult. When I needed to verify my certification> >>> to a perspective
employer I got some mail stating that verifying> >>> certifications may take up
to 2 weeks and the verification ended up> >>> taking a 8 business days. The
other time I wanted to verify someone's> >>> claimed OCM and Oracle said that
we needed permission from the person> >>> we were interviewing to start the
verification process and that> >>> verification would take up to 2 weeks--I was
suspicious about the> >>> initial OCM claim so this person was filed in the
circular filing> >>> cabinet because of all the hassle.> >>>> >>> I have also
had trouble proving to Oracle certification folks that I> >>> have taken the
required OCP Oracle class.> >>>> >>> With Microsoft, I believe that the person
with the certification can> >>> give you a number and you go to a Microsoft web
site and are able to> >>> verify any certification claims very quickly.> > -- >
> //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l> >> >> >> -->
//www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l> >
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