[opendtv] Re: The basics of online TV distribution
- From: "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:59:02 +0000
Craig Birkmaier wrote:
And they pay for the privilege - they do not get free use of
public right-of-ways. And they have paid hundreds of billions
over the years to build that infrastructure.
Sorry, Craig, that's pretty lame. They pay their business expenses, building a
labor-intensive system, similar in this regard to the telephone system.
Broadcasters also pay, to erect towers, to pay for their crews and "talent,"
and so on. Every business has its expenses, which they have to balance with
revenues. You can't pretend to use this lame excuse for one business but not
all the others.
Yes many subscribers want the broadcast networks; but they
cannot opt outfit they do not want them.
And many subscribers want HGTV, and they're saddled with having to pay for
ESPN. That's the breaks, when you make yourself dependent on (unnecessary)
monopolies. If this were critical to survival, you can be sure these things
would be more strictly regulated.
Nope. Before cable started to offer original content subscriber
rates were typically low.
Before they started to produce original content, cable systems were still
raking in subscription fees that the broadcasters were not raking in. I'm
talking about the monthly fee, Craig. How do you keep missing this? Original
content has nothing to do with it. The simple fact remains, cable systems were
raking in monthly fees largely because, mostly because, they were carrying high
value TV network content. And even DBS companies were forced into this; either
by the installer including OTA reception in addition to satellite, or local
into local satellite beams. That TV network content has always been a huge
benefit to these MVPDs. And the proof is in what happens when it gets
temporarily subtracted.
Bottom line, people want both, and the convenience of not having
an antenna or having to change inputs to use one.
Bottom line: people want TV network content on their MVPD medium, or they won't
pay for the MVPD. Enough already.
No Bert. It is added to the rent.
EXACTLY, Craig. Renters are paying whether they like it or not. And you don't
think that's an unfair advantage for MVPDs? If the TV networks these days get a
piece of that action, how is that even remotely an unfair advantage for the
networks?
used to attract tenants who are more than willing to pay for these
services.
Talking out of both sides of your mouth, Craig. On one hand, you resent TV
networks getting their fair share of the local monopoly revenues. On the other
hand, you pretend to speak for all apartment dwellers, informing us that
certainly they all want to pay for cable.
OTT sites are mostly adding subscribers who ALSO pay for the MVPD
bundle.
That's news from years ago. OTT sites are subtracting subscribers from legacy
bundles, Craig.
No Bert. I am saying that the MVPDs have deals with their
networks that parallel the deals the broadcasters
Again, insisting on a losing argument. There is virtually no similarity between
Internet distribution of TV content and what had to be done before the Internet
existed, Craig. I gave you obvious examples, and there are many more. For
example, explain to me how legacy MVPDs can make available all of YouTube
videos to their subscribers. They can't. YouTube could not even exist without
the Internet. And yet the Internet can make any YouTube video available to all
broadband subscribers.
It's obvious, Craig, that if OTT sites aggregate content, and sell
subscriptions, there will be licensing issues to deal with. But it's also
obvious that (a) these OTT sites will be available to everyone and will have to
compete directly with others (unless they artificially restrict access, only to
let other OTT sites have more potential viewers), and (b) that the owners of
the content can go it alone, do without licensing agreements, if they choose
to, only because the neutral Internet exists.
The difference is so far beyond just the VOD aspect that it's hard to believe
you're digging in and perpetuating this argument.
So you don't use Hulu?
Already told you that I very rarely use Hulu. Certainly nowhere close to one
program per week. I go for many months at a time without using Hulu.
(Interestingly, Hulu is going to a subscription-only model and (are you ready
for this?), Yahoo is taking over the FOTI service that Hulu once had. I've
already bookmarked Yahoo. The site already exists.
Bert
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