You are ACTUALLY lying (again.) "Poor video" means "unusable" to everyone but you, and then when you are trying to raise the bar against 8-VSB. Just why do you think that a service that is desgined (mas o meno) to duplicate NTSC wouldn't have worse problems (cliff effect) in marginal places? And, did you bring along an L- or T-pad? THE PROBLEM IS MOST LIKELY TOO MUCH SIGNAL. You want it to be too little signal. Funny that, using your daughter for this 'exercise.' This is nothing like Mark Schubin's location (good to great NTSC) and nothing like like Cliff Benham's (good to great NTSC, in spite of technically being a white area.) So, rock on. Let me know just how many of those Chinese use your DVB technologies (in a CMMB country.) ANY television signal with "off color" and "some lines" is unwatchable. Might have been different when there were no video alternatives. Just spring for cable for her Bob, you cheap bastard. John Willkie -----Mensaje original----- De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de Bob Miller Enviado el: Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:57 PM Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Asunto: [opendtv] Re: Martin: 15% of Stations Face Smaller DTV-Coverage Areas Yes like in Queens NY. Just returned from my first visit to my daughters apartment since she set up the plasma and tried to scan. With an indoor antenna near the TV she got 3 analog stations. I moved it around and got 3 another move snagged 7 another 5. All of these had good audio and video good enough to follow the action but with snow mostly, off color, some lines and some were unwatchable. I got a longer cable and put the antenna out the window on the fire escape and later on top of the outside half of the air conditioner and changed its direction from away from the city, towards the city, at the apartment building across from the window and a variation. I had four chances before it was time to leave. Got 7, 11, 15 and 17 analog channels all with audio and poor video but at least 8-9 or 10 would have been watchable in a pinch. This is a second story apartment maybe 7 miles from the Empire State Building with no line of sight, no direct line to the city but typical of at least 35 or 40% of the City of New York's citizens. Actually could be higher. At least 50% are on the wrong side of the building or low or behind some other building or in a valley. Yes there are hills, woods, valleys and other things in New York City. Trying to buy an LG Vue or Samsung Access cheap on Ebay to try in the same apartment with AT&T's mobile TV. Bob Miller On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 6:32 PM, John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > As long as he's talking about far-field reception issues (and not close-in), > the figure would have been significantly higher with DVB-T. Remember me > saying over the years that BEFORE DVB-T could be used here, extensive > interference and frequency-planning studies would have to be commenced? > > And, all the reports I have seen so far have only talked about distance > reception issues (like adjacent markets). > > The real kicker here is: how many stations will lose coverage in their home > markets? Remains to be seen ... > > John Willkie > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En > nombre de Cliff Benham > Enviado el: Sunday, September 21, 2008 2:21 PM > Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Asunto: [opendtv] Re: Martin: 15% of Stations Face Smaller DTV-Coverage > Areas > > Dale Kelly wrote: > Martin said that perhaps 15% of the nation's TV >> stations might have carriage shrink "in a significant way," > > Amazing. Who would have ever thought... > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.