You 1) have no evidence, going by the article (you are just reading into it) "can be used for testing" doesn't mean they actually work. And, the observation of a Microsoft engineer doesn't mean anything in this context. 2) are engaging in an ad-hominem attack. My concerns with white space devices have nothing to do with the NAB nor with retransmission consent payments (which didn't exist 20 years ago.) You are opposed to over the air broadcast tv, and now you think that the NAB's latest position gives you the opportunity to pour old whine into new bottles. I've said all along that there was no real white space, but, that a device attached to the internet and a multi-kilobuck spectrum analyzer or agile field-strength meter could detect nearby transmitters. However, they wouldn't detect nearby receivers, and these devices will -- if/when deployed -- curtail service in remote areas. (interference travels much farther than signals, a fact well known to rf types, and reflected in the FCC's F(50,50) and F(50,10) curves. Indeed, I wonder why Apple hasn't joined into the fray. Wouldn't these devices make AppleTV more relevant? John Willkie -----Mensaje original----- De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de Craig Birkmaier Enviado el: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 10:56 AM Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Asunto: [opendtv] Re: How Many Strikes Until They're Out? At 10:22 AM -0700 4/1/08, John Willkie wrote: >"the other devices appear to be working" > >Where the heck have you heard this? Or are you imputing that is the case >because their failures have not been trumpeted? Maybe because they are working John. You seem to foster a belief that is shared by the NAB and many broadcasters - that any use of the white spaces (other than for wireless mics) will cause irreparable harm to a service for which the major purpose is to justify retransmission consent payments, AND to deliver PBS (yes John S. I am cognizant of the OTA PBS audience). This story was wearing thin 20 years ago... BAs for my assertion that the other devices are working, here is a source from a story i read this morning. Regards Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.