Hi - Eurasian Collared-doves have a fairly rare pale morph, which is what this bird appears to be. Although escaped/feral Ringed Turtle-Dove have apparently occurred in Oregon, I suspect most of those reported are actually these pale-morph Eurasians. Captive-reared Ringed-Turtledoves are a bit smaller, and in your photo with 2 birds they seem the same size. The Eurasian Collared-Doves that have recently colonized North America had at least a brief episode of captivity and probably captive breeding in their history, so perhaps these pale birds were a selected variety. Wayne On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Hannah Fritz <hannah.fritz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I've been curious about a dove that's been visiting my yard for about a > month now. It's much paler than the typical dark gray Eurasian > Collared-Doves that I have. I am assuming it is an immature bird, but > trying to find a description of immature Eurasian Collared-Doves is being > somewhat elusive, since it's mixed in with reports of African > Collared-Doves/Ringed Turtledoves/whatever you want to call them and how to > tell the two apart. I haven't been able to see the bird from underneath, to > check out the undertail coverts, nor have I heard it. Or.. I have heard > ECDs and nothing else, which may be just as telling. > > I know if this bird were anything other than an imm. ECD, it would be an > escapee, and I'm not looking to "count" it. Just curious if this is what > young birds look like, or just a different color variation or what. > > A few pics: > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v65/eggwhite/birds/dove_zps4d384798.png > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v65/eggwhite/birds/doves_zps577e1176.png > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v65/eggwhite/birds/msyt_dove_zps1cff0cc9.png > > Thanks! > Hannah Fritz > St. Helens, OR >