I think if Federal Labor keeps carrying on the way it is. It will find itself retired to a position where it will never gain enough votes to form government and will need the Greens to form a coalition to gain governance. Considering the Green vote goes up via disgruntled ALP supporters. Cheers,CS Rob From: nswnra-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nswnra-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul McGuiness Sent: Friday, 27 August 2010 08:22 To: nswnra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [nswnra] Re: Elections and Rugby It certainly sounds like a dummy-spit. The ALP are very clever with their preference deals. They know how to make the electoral system work for them. They were not going to waste preferences when the results were expected to be tight. You would not think that Fielding would be a natural ALP ally. The ALP would not be where they are without Greenie preferences. On 27/08/2010, at 8:10 AM, Corona Australis wrote: Looks like Fielding is doing a dummy spit, I guess he a little peeved he didn't get ALP preferences this time http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/steve-fielding-may-block-labor-rule/story-fn59niix-1225910648935 From: nswnra-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nswnra-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul McGuiness Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2010 09:29 To: nswnra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [nswnra] Re: Elections and Rugby Hi Rob, I think that Fielding (Family First) lost his Victorian senate seat when all the Greenies were elected. Good riddance. Story here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/21/2989795.htm As I said before, I'm not a fan of single issue-parties, and groups like Family First, and the Greens, are too narrow focussed. The main parties, for all their faults, at least have a wide representation of views. Interesting times ahead. Labor should have first go at stitching together an agreement as they are the party in government. Depends, I suppose, on who gets the last few seats in doubt. The kiwi system sounds like the old English system that was used hundreds of years ago. it does have some attractions. Our system is far too open to distortion. I cannot believe that a few random MP's with tiny representation are able to have power out of all proportion to their electoral support. The Greens are just the latest in a long line of parties - Democrats, DLP etc. We are certainly grossly over-governed for our population. The chances of that being changed in the future are pretty slim. The problem with Jake's school just shows how wasteful the Labor programs were. Projects that should have cost less than half were pushed ahead and other schools are falling apart. Gee I wish we could flap a couple of cheque books around and entice s few of those maori players over. The kiwi B side would probably beat us at present. Mate, enjoy the victories while they last. Cheers, Paul. On 22/08/2010, at 6:45 PM, Corona Australis wrote: What about that idiot Fielding, I sure hope he got the boot. Australia has a weird government system, the Westminster system. Different from New Zealand which doesn't have a state level of governance it goes straight to Counties, Boroughs and districts governed by councils. Not sure where we are going to end up. I think Gillard has a better plan for the future. Just feel the old ranting's from Abbott about debt and deficit is a bit over cooked, Labor may have had a few issues but I'm a little bit concerned about Abbott cuts to everything. While there is a boom in the mineral sector let get a bit of infrastructure up and going. My son Jake sits in a classroom that needs a half dozen buckets sitting on the floor when it rains Nah it isn't too loped sided we that is the AB's are just really good : ) The fight to be dominant especially against SA our most hated opponent runs in our blood. Anyways they whip us 3 x last year so it pay back time. Just hope we are cooking when WC comes around next year. Robbie Deans would probably like to be performing better. But at the end of the day I think he has been very good for the Wallabies. Not afraid to introduce new blood. And he has some great talent coming through. but then its the same with the AB's with Ranger, Dagg, Reed, Nonu, Weepu, Kaino and the Franks brothers. And some of the medium experienced players like Muliana, Jane, Mealamu, Smith, McCraw, Rokocoko, Cowan, Carter with Thorn coming back from a spell in the NRL in Australia is settling back in very well. A lot of these guys can move around, we have two kickers (Weepu if Carters radar is off), a couple of great Halfbacks. And forwards that can play like Backs (Woodcock). The list goes on, and that is just the All Black "A" side we also have an All Black "B" side along with the NZ Maori side. And if you look at ITM cup there is a wealth of players to choose from, NZ Rugby has a great future. Cheers,CS Rob . From: nswnra-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nswnra-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul McGuiness Sent: Sunday, 22 August 2010 10:47 To: nswnra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [nswnra] Re: Elections and Rugby Hi Rob, I think the Greens doubled their numbers in the Senate from 5 to 10. They took the seat of House of Reps. seat of Melbourne from Labor. The new senators (including the 10 green ones) won't take their place in the Senate until July 1 next year. The Senate has strange electoral rules, and normally only half the senators are up for election at the Federal elections. A double dissolution has both the House of Reps and the whole Senate up for election, but that's an unusual occurrence. The only good thing about Greens having the balance of power is that their leader Brown has some common sense. Some of those ex-National independents are strange critters though, so the horse trading to form a government, either Labor or Coalition, will be interesting. A good result for the AB's but it means the contest is too lop-sided. If anyone had a chance to beat them, the Boks at home were the ones. Cheers, Paul. _____ From: corona_australis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: nswnra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [nswnra] Re: Elections and Rugby Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:28:07 +1000 Well it looks like Parliament is hung, your worst fears Paul I think there will be a bit of haggling through the week. Luckily for Gillard most of the independents are ex National so the NBN which they seem to like might work in her favour. I guess time will tell. I missed the end, just got to tired waiting for the Rugby. Abbott seemed like he was claiming victory by a small margin. Anyways I woke about 3:30 with Tri Nation Rugby on my mind. So I got up to watch the recording. And I can tell you seeing a couple of the Spring Boks smiling and making jokes during the Haka I knew they would lose. It was an exceptionally tough game and it looked like the boks were going to win with the All Blacks keep pace and receive a Tri Nation Cup winning bonus point. But the boks ran out of steam in the final 10 minutes and the mighty All Blacks slammed home a couple of tries. It was one of the toughest game of Rugby I have seen in a long while, I wouldn't be surprised if the Wallabies put in a similar effort back in Sydney 11th September. The two boks v Wallabies matches in South Africa seem a little meaningless now. They're more likely want to redeem themselves against the cup winners. So Paul, unfortunate on both fronts. But I am over joyed we have the Tri Nation back for the 10th time. Anyone know how many Green got up in the senate? Cheers,CS bring on the new moon!!!!!! Rob From: nswnra-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nswnra-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul McGuiness Sent: Saturday, 21 August 2010 22:32 To: nswnra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [nswnra] Re: Elections and Rugby Yes, very close election. I'm not very keen on minor parties like the Greens or anyone else having the balance of power. It gives them an electoral clout that they don't deserve from the ballot-box perspective. Footy is more interesting, especially the AB's verses Boks on home turf. Should be a tough tussle. I'm sort of hoping the Boks win, while at the same time, deploring their sometimes dirty play. Cheers, Paul. > From: <mailto:corona_australis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > corona_australis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: <mailto:nswnra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> nswnra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [nswnra] Elections and Rugby > Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:03:05 +1000 > > Well the Election is up and running, to tell you the truth I sick of > it. Bring on the Rugby @ 1am All Blacks v Spring Boks bring on > the rugby > > If I wake up to any new crowning tomorrow let it Be the Tri-Nations > Cup returns to New Zealand after a one year holiday in in South Africa. > > May the full moon come quickly > > Cheers,CS > > Rob > > You are subscribed to the "NSW Northern Rivers Astronomy" e-mail discussion > group. > > <*> To visit the NSWNRA group on the web, go to: > <//www.freelists.org/list/nswnra> //www.freelists.org/list/nswnra > > <*> To change settings online go to: > <//www.freelists.org/login.html> //www.freelists.org/login.html > > <*> To subscribe or unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > <mailto:nswnra-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> nswnra-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > subscribe or unsubscribe in > the Subject field. > > <*> Email the owner with any questions or problems to: > <mailto:nswnra-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> nswnra-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > There's a FAQ at <//www.freelists.org/wiki/the_faq> > //www.freelists.org/wiki/the_faq or Help at > <//www.freelists.org/help/> //www.freelists.org/help/ which you > might find useful for questions > you might have. 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