[ncsc-moths] Re: 21 species for Dec- need help with unidentified
- From: Doug Allen <dougk4ly@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, DougK4LY@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:58:49 -0500
Hi again Ken and Jean,
Yes Ken, I received the info to my Picasa account and changed 9946 to
9944. Don't quite know why I choose 9946 before. Nice picture of the
Red-bordered Emerald, Ken. I haven't had any Emeralds here since November
and never that dark of one, although I see one of your pictures on MPG of
an even darker one!
Jean, thanks for the info on the wings up Bent-line Carpet. I have a file
with about 15 unidentified wings up moths. MPG and BG don't seem to have
the Carpet in that position, or probably of some of my other unidentified
wings-up moths. BG actually has a broken link a Bent-line Carpet showing
underside of wings from John Himmelman, Connecticut, whose book I have
read. In the future I need to try, when possible, to get pictures of a
moth in the different natural positions so that I can associate them. I
should also figure out a way to take a wingspan or length measurement. I
haven't and don't plan to capture any moths.
Here are a couple of pictures from last summer's National Moth Week outing
here. I had only been moth-ing for about 6 weeks and heard about Nat'l
Moth Week. Jean, one of the students in my birding and butterflying class,
came over, and we set up black lights here and at the organic farm across
the lane.
Hmmm, I'm not sure the pictures have been added to this email? I may have
forgotten how to do it- so we'll see.
Doug Allen
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 6:57 PM, <innisfree22@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Another species that I often see with wings up is *Costaconvexa
> centrostrigaria,* Bent-line Carpet*.* They were pretty numerous this
> year, and showed up on many dates.
> Jean Obrist
>
> *From:* Doug Allen <dougk4ly@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:45 PM
> *To:* ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [ncsc-moths] Re: 21 species for Dec- need help with
> unidentified
>
> Ken,
> I'm exploring your Moths of Finish Flag Farms, and it's giving me
> another moth database that I'm finding it helpful. Great photography!
> First, you're geographically close enough that it probably shows a much
> higher per centage of the moths that occur here compared to MPG. Also I've
> already found a couple of your photographs that are more helpful than MPG
> and BG. One example. I think my "wings up" Sallow was misidentified.
> There were no pictures of it in that position on MPG and BG, but your image
> 4642 closely corresponds to my picture, and I have corrected the
> identification. Do you agree?
>
> I also have a photograph that very closely resembles your wings up Lesser
> Grapevine Looper Moth which I hadn't previously identified since MPG and BG
> don't show the wings up position and also suggests the difficulty of
> separating them.
>
> The numbers of your unidentified moths is humbling. It's probably taken
> me an average of an hour to identify (I hope) each of my some 200 moth
> species from thousands of photographs of I don't know how many species. As
> I become more familiar with the families, the time goes down just a little,
> but all those unidentified species I have... Once upon a time I would
> visit libraries thinking I really needed to read all those books, and I was
> emotionally overwhelmed by the task. That's how I sometimes feel now!
>
> Last night it stayed above 50 degrees until I went to bed. About 7
> species of moths visited the black lights including at least eight 6258–
> *Alsophila
> pometaria*– Fall Cankerworm Moths at one time. I think I had two new
> species for December, numbers 21 and 22, if I can identify them.
>
> Doug Allen Windmill Hill SC
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Doug Allen <dougk4ly@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>> Interesting on the Vetch Looper. And I checked out 2281 and agree.
>> Thank you. I'll be sending the Dec batch for inclusion in the SC Moth
>> database at the end of the month.
>> Still looking for that 21st species!
>>
>> I've enjoyed looking at your unidentified Gelechioidea and have comments
>> and a couple of my pictures that relate to one of your unidentified
>> species, but I'll defer that for another email. Out high today is supposed
>> to be 60 and low tonight about 48 so I'll put out the black lights.
>>
>> I just sent John Snyder the following batch of October moth species. I'm
>> pretty confident with all, but maybe 1 or 2. I'm working on a 3rd October
>> batch. Here's the OCT#2-
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/114446304105523815248/OCTOBER2?authkey=Gv1sRgCKjdmYTlmryTQw
>> #
>>
>> I guess we get pretty much the same moths where you are and here. I'm
>> close to extensive woods/forest, an organic farm, and fields. It seems
>> that most of the posters on the ncsc-moths are in Tennessee! I'll
>> eventually try and get on the Facebook webpage, but I have too many irons
>> in the fire right now.
>>
>> When I was young, I learned my eastern birds and bird songs fairly
>> quickly. Now I'm pretty deaf and don't hear many of the bird songs and am
>> a slow learner with moths!
>>
>> Doug Allen Windmill Hill, SC
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:22 AM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Doug,
>>>
>>> There's a dark form of Vetch Looper that shows here early and late in
>>> the season that doesn't seem to be very well documented. When I first
>>> started mothing, it fooled me too. It's usually the most common form I see
>>> until mid March when lighter ones start showing up. Then in late September
>>> I'll start seeing them again.
>>>
>>> The main reason I don't think your moth is 1422 Homaledra sabalella is
>>> the placement of the spots in relation to the centerline. On Homaledra
>>> sabalella, the top spot is closer to the center than the lower spot. It's
>>> reversed on your moth. I can't say for sure what it is but 2281 Dichomeris
>>> ligulella, Palmerworm Moth looks like a possibility and is a common moth.
>>> Maybe someone else will be better able to help with this one.
>>>
>>> Not being able to ID the members of Gelechioidea you see is a common
>>> enough problem. Most of us that have been doing this for awhile have
>>> folders full of unidentified Gelechioids. Many species aren't pictured on
>>> MPG and new species are being described all the time. I still have more to
>>> add but here's my album of unidentifieds.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/107941137732251962394/UnidentifiedGelechioidea?authuser=0&feat=directlink
>>>
>>> Ken Childs
>>> Henderson, TN
>>> Chester County
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths
>>> http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Doug Allen <dougk4ly@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> *To:* ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:21 AM
>>> *Subject:* [ncsc-moths] Re: 21 species for Dec- need help with
>>> unidentified
>>>
>>> Thanks Ken,
>>> The Vetch Looper was a real learning experience. I glanced at it
>>> several times in MPG and BG trying to find some close relative with that
>>> gray color, but none of the pictures were even close. Of course, now when
>>> I look at the specific field marks, they're all there.
>>>
>>> Have you looked at the one labeled 1422. There is only one Palmetto
>>> tree within a mile of here! I couldn't find anything else that resembled
>>> my picture.
>>>
>>> The Wedgling mistake was a dumb one. It's a mirror image of the picture
>>> correctly identified above it. Wedgling has been the most common moth seen
>>> this month. I was trying too hard for that 21st species of the month to
>>> pass Richmond County's 20 species for the month of December. The games
>>> people play! I do have a couple of unsatisfactory pictures of a 21st and
>>> 22nd species that I'll investigate.
>>>
>>> Doug Allen Windmill Hill, 8 miles south of the NC border and 12 miles
>>> from the SC mountains
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:51 PM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
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