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<span style="font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I never heard of
scaring the pee out of a rabbit, Brenda. I am glad the massage table pad
is working out so well. Keep us posted. You and Frodo are in my
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</div>I just threw out a number I’m sorry. I wouldn’t tell the doc who
showed me but I’ll ask her if it’s okay to learn from her first. She doesn’t
allow people in the buiLding except for her staff so I doubt I could get anyone
to show me. I have some videos other rabbit owners sent me.
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Frodo peed a lot when i wasn’t looking and if I didn’t check under the new
massage table pad I wouldn’t have known! And he was dry too!! Thank
you so much!!!
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Wait, your vet advised you to literally scare the pee out of him??!!
That sounds wrong on every level to me.....
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Wow, never heard of your vets procedure, expressing us much easier and
far less stressful putting you hand under his lower arm very gently, I
would not do what she said honestly never heard of it,
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If he is dry you can put the powder on and even if a little gets on
there it should help keep the skin dry, if too much,indeed you’d have to clean
and dry, but my friend said butt paste or the destin with low zinc can b
applied after healing,
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For clarification, can you guys comment on my plan?
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Did you mean that you put the butt paste after the skin has healed
to keep it dry…. UNTIL the fur grows back? Then stop after it’s
longer than peach fuzz?
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If the fur is long and only slightly damp with urine, I could
use the non-talc powder to eliminate any dampness?
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But if the fur is peach fuzz or the long fur is actually wet, like
almost down to or down to the skin, then I should use warm wet cotton balls
or a butt bath in the sink, depending on how bad the situation is?
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Hopefully I won’t have to butt bath because I have better bedding
now. Balin tested it out for me. *sigh*
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</div>No janet I didn’t get or I lost the video. Some of your
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My vet said not to express bladder. Even after he got urine scald.
And I’m pretty sure she meant for any rabbit. She wants me to lay a bunny
on his back and lift in the air and bring him down quickly to scare the pee
out. She didn’t show me, she just described it pretty much that
way. I’m afraid of a bunny struggling and jumping or hurting himself.
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how to express Frodo's bladder would be very helpful, Brenda..good thing you
have someone to teach you. Please let us know what you decide about
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skin, what is the plan?
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1). Do you guys express the bladder on disabled
rabbits/? A local rabbit rescue said she’d show me how to do it properly
this week. She’s worked with thousands of rabbits over many years. My
vet won’t show me, for one thing people aren’t allowed in the building, and she
prefers holding the rabbit on his back and raising in the air and bringing down
fast to startle them so they pee. Frodo is dizzy often and I don’t think
he’d like a free fall carnival ride. Plus she never showed me how to do
it, it sounds crazy.
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2)Vet bed or similar bedding. I think I’ve got that covered
now. Using the materials that a local rabbit rescue uses for disabled
rabbits. Balin tested it out by peeing all over it like a little snot, so
I know it works.
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3) barrier cream every day as a preventative?
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Janet did you say the Vetrinus helped with that? Other
choice is Butt paste or the low zine Desitin (which is lower than the butt
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4) non-talc powder. When do you use that?
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5) clean with warm wet cotton balls only if he gets damp/wet
from urine (or poop). Or butt bath if really wet. Then the
Vetrinus/ Calendula gel or butt paste or Desitin if irritated skin.
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You guys are saints for putting up with my barrages of
questions, which are often repetitive as I try to grapple with all that’s going
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I so happy he us better now Brenda. Like my friend said,
I would keep putting the butt paste on since it’s healed, but would also keep
his fur trimmed and have good vet bedding. I love the vetrinus gel, but you’d
have fo try and see his but worked. My Micah was fine with it and it did
help. I also used burts bees baby powder which is talc free after he was
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I am so happy he’s ok.
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So now that he’s healed up 98%, how do I prevent
scald??! the fur is really growing in now and it’s super velvety and feels so
good to touch. Can I put a&d or butt paste or desitin on top of the fur is
it’s kept short ? Desitin and Burt paste get stuck in the longer fur. The
vetrinus gel with calendula works great to heal and doesnt matt up the fur but
don’t know how much moisture barrier it is.
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Last night I found that he peed in his new diaper
and part of his fur was damp on his leg and tail. Not down to the skin though.
The leg of the diaper was wet. I got toilet paper and fluffed the fur and
didn’t really get any wetness on the toilet paper. Sooo i guess that’s good.
This is frustrating because i put him in his litter box to pee before bed and
get up 4 hours later to do the same and again a few hours later when I get up.
And he didn’t get Subcutaneous fluids yesterday either.
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I just bought the original diapers I used, Huggies
“instant dry.” That has more layers and absorbable crystals. So hopefully that
keeps him drier.
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I need to go away Friday for about 10 hours and not
sure I can or should bring him with me. He might get too dizzy in the car 2.5
hours each way. Plus they have an old dog but i could put him in his playpen up
in a bedroom with door shut. I’d probably have to bring his bonded mate too.
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If I leave him home I don’t know if I should diaper
him or not. I don’t know if he pees without a diaper will it get stuck in the
loose skin near his butt and cause scald. Maybe the better layer of
towels and bath mats and sheepskin I got will help and he does
scoot around a little, a foot or two in each direction. A rabbit rescue lady
told me to get the massage table 1” sheepskin mat that she used. I got it the
other day. So that and putting some kind of barrier cream on him might
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She also said the red is scalding on frodo ans it
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Brenda, regarding the butt paste, my friend
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What kind of onesie did you get? With
sleeves? I’m going to target to try to find a different diaper and a
shaver but I don’t know if I can shave him, Ill have to beg the vet to have a
good tech do it.
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<br>On Dec 3, 2021, at 1:10 PM, Brenda
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I’m worried that if I use a shirt or
onesies that it will get wet and cause more trouble. The only advice I got from
my vet was to use SSD ointment twice in one day, then switch to cornstarch the
next day, and so on, and to get it under control soon or PTS (because his
quality of life stinks right now —dizzy, ear infection, needs fit motility
drugs, now urine scald).
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It seems like his rear legs are
getting a lot stronger. His back left leg has been very weak or numb or both
since his ear infection and dizziness started Oct 22. If he can just get
onto/stay on his feet … he lays on the same side because his balance is
off and then he can’t get up he can only scoot.
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I have never had a reason to
use it on a rabbit........I just know it worked wonders on every other animal I
have used it on. But like anything else, no matter what you put on your animal,
it's important that they don't ingest it. Even SSD cream can cause problems if
ingested, and at the very least, if the animal is licking medicine off, it's
not going to do them any good. Someone on here mentioned using human baby
onesies....I have had really great success using those on some animals as well,
to keep them from licking or scratching at certain areas of their bodies.
Although I have had several rabbits in my lifetime, they are by no means my
area of expertise when it comes to medical issues so I will defer to others who
have more knowledge than I do.
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Now, when it comes to diet
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I swear by zinc oxide for
urine scald...I had before and after pictures of a bunny with urine scald
and then being treated with zinc -it was amazing -but I've lost the pictures
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I think there are
other ointments better than this to soothe urine scale, just my opinion though,
why echincea? Maybe ok for infection…I’ve never had experience with
this and wonder why because it’s not something I’d use. The calendula is much
more healing, it’s something even my mom used and it’s amazing, this is
interesting. It talks about different causes of urine scald or burn
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holistic vet gave me for another rabbits sore hocks. Would this work to soothe
the urine scald? I think I have to heal it first and then switch to a barrier
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She states that these sores are due to urine scald from Frodo laying in the
same spot for a period of time. Her instructions are as follows: keep him clean
and dry and you can alternate with the SSD ointment one day and then corn
starch the next. She wanted to stress NOT combining both the SSD and corn
starch together as that will make a paste and make things worse. She did state
that if the sores do not improve with time we may need to discuss quality of
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end to groom, so there was no worry about ingesting. Evonne had good
results with it, too. I wouldn't want Frodo to be hurt by the Desitin or
for Balin to ingest it if he grooms Frodo. It worked well for Riley when
he would develop skin irritation, and I knew he couldn't ingest it. I
used it on and off for a few years. He lived to be almost 11.
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never used Desitin on a rabbit, (I am far from an expert on this species and
they seem to be in a category all of their own for sure).....but it worked very
well on my possum. Roberta, did you see any ill effects at all from using it on
your bunny? ). Unsure if either of these products would be an issue just
applying it to the skin or if its more problematic if licked off. Of course,
Desitin would not be good if the animal licked it either. Both contain
petroleum. Regardless, he needs something that forms a true barrier and SSD
cream alone will not provide that. Whatever is used, just make sure Frodo isn't
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amount or eat the ointment on a regular basis to have a toxic reaction. Having
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don’t want to disagree with Laura, but as I feel different about
ointments, as I suggested before, and from my own personal experience
with disabled rabbits and hares, that that A and D ointment works better than
Desitin, A and D is much more protective and creamy and soft and more
protective in my own personal experience with both, also, please don’t use any
with zinc, Desitin also come with zinc with is toxic to bunnies. Also the A and
D comes in original strength, i would only get original. Look at the
differences online…Also, the A and D original has vitamin ANd D in it which is
healing, but both contain petroleum…also, my good friend who rescues and rehabs
bunnies who are disabled uses a and d Original.
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I’ll
try to get some desitin today. He got out of his diaper last night and rolled
in cecotropes. I don’t want to bathe him again today it seems to make the area
worse and some scabs fell off (I didn’t think they were scabs at the time) and
now those spots have pus. Maybe I can pour some peroxide on the area or watered
down betadine to make sure there’s no poop on the bare skin. There is some in
the fur I’ll try to comb it out
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We are
all worn out. If his appt next week doesn’t show that his ear infection is
rapidly clearing, she said before it was incueable but then the pus drastically
improved, I’m going to ask to PTS. He can only lay on one side and crawl
a bit, but now that side has sores. He can’t walk without a scarf holding him
up. He’s not eating much. He’s 9 ½
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you about the Desitin, Laura. If you decide to try the Desitin,
Brenda....be sure to get the original formula. There is a newer type that
is thinner; it doesn't stay on as well.. don't buy that one. It worked well on
my children, and worked wonderfully on Riley, and stays on even when wet.
It forms a very good, moisture resistant barrier. </span>
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Brenda, oh that poor little guy. <span style="font-family:
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thru much trial and error when my disabled possum Lucy was alive. She arrived
here with 9 fractures, severe MBD and all 4 of her legs were permanently
splayed out to the sides so she never walked.....she'd army crawl to get around
just fine though. Keeping her rash free was an insanely difficult task,
especially since female possums have pouches and when she'd pee at night and
lay in it, it would irritate her undersides and her pouch something terrible. I
tired SO many different things, including the cream you are using on your
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One day a lightbulb went off in my head and I thought huh, I wonder if diaper
cream would help. I bought some Desitin and OMG, not only did it tamp down the
irritation, it protected her like nothing else from it developing out of
control again. She could not really reach to groom herself so I didn't have to
worry about her licking at it. In addition to that, I used Micro Tek shampoo on
her.....that stuff is amazing, it helps kill bacteria and fungus/yeast, which
is almost always a component you are dealing with in cases like your little
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You are probably already aware that animals like your boy and my Lucy are very
prone to bacterial and yeast infections due to those areas of their bodies
being constantly moist. I would advise that you wash that area with that
shampoo I mentioned, it has to sit for a few minutes on him. Make sure to rinse
him well in tepid water....if the water is too warm it will sting that
irritated skin even more. Now here comes the challenging part with a
bunny.....you must dry that area completely, using a low heat because again,
heat will only cause more irritation. I know that's time consuming and no easy
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Once you are done, slather him in Desiten. It's messy I know, but it will form
a protective barrier on his skin. I am not 100% sure if it's advisable to use
both creams, I personally would put on a layer of the SSD cream and then add
the Desiten....I did that with Lucy and it didn't cause any adverse skin
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sounds like this is going to be an on-going issue with your boy so if this
helps keep him comfortable, that's important. I cannot imagine how much that
must hurt if he gets urine on that area. <span style="font-family:
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Here’s pics of the sores and him in his diaper. With and without flash. Not a
great closeup. Its a little better than it was right after the butt bath. It’s
his upper thigh/butt where he lays all the time. He only lays on one side. I
Hope the diaper keeps him dry tonight because I put the silver sulfa…..
antibiotic cream on his sores and it needs to stay on and not rubbed off and
not peed on. He’s still a wee bit damp from his butt bath but I have to go to
bed. I patted with paper towels, towels, sham wows, more paper towels, hair
dryer on low for like 20 minutes. OMG it’s like it’s against the laws of nature
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<br clear="none"> I can’t believe he got these scabs, it must be from
having bare skin rubbing on blankets and carpet and getting wet with pee. I
thought fur was falling out because I had to keep wiping/brushing out some
mushy poops. But then it kept falling out I was using cornstarch to try
and keep him dry/dry him up when he peed, but it didn’t work. I put him on
several layers of bedding to keep him dry, it wasnt working a few days ago but
I think I got it figured out now so he can stay dry. But then he pees onto
himself sometimes so he gets wet again and the cornstarch didn’t prevent the
sores. Maybe they are bed sores or rug burn and urine scald?
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the ear infections can be cured, then maybe he can get better. He’s struggling
with the dizziness and lack of mobility. He became mobile again a couple weeks
ago, but has backslid. the dizziness and neurological issues cause one of
his back legs to be weak and for him to walk in circles until he falls over and
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