I just threw out a number I’m sorry. I wouldn’t tell the doc who showed me but
I’ll ask her if it’s okay to learn from her first. She doesn’t allow people in
the buiLding except for her staff so I doubt I could get anyone to show me. I
have some videos other rabbit owners sent me.
Frodo peed a lot when i wasn’t looking and if I didn’t check under the new
massage table pad I wouldn’t have known! And he was dry too!! Thank you so
much!!!
-Brenda
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On Dec 21, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Laura Mowrey <sshalimar16@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Wait, your vet advised you to literally scare the pee out of him??!! That
sounds wrong on every level to me.....
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From: naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
on behalf of Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 12:02 PM
To: naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Wow, never heard of your vets procedure, expressing us much easier and far
less stressful putting you hand under his lower arm very gently, I would not
do what she said honestly never heard of it,
If he is dry you can put the powder on and even if a little gets on there it
should help keep the skin dry, if too much,indeed you’d have to clean and
dry, but my friend said butt paste or the destin with low zinc can b applied
after healing,
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 9:39 AM Brenda B <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:--
For clarification, can you guys comment on my plan?
Did you mean that you put the butt paste after the skin has healed to keep
it dry…. UNTIL the fur grows back? Then stop after it’s longer than peach
fuzz?
If the fur is long and only slightly damp with urine, I could use the
non-talc powder to eliminate any dampness?
But if the fur is peach fuzz or the long fur is actually wet, like almost
down to or down to the skin, then I should use warm wet cotton balls or a
butt bath in the sink, depending on how bad the situation is?
Hopefully I won’t have to butt bath because I have better bedding now. Balin
tested it out for me. *sigh*
No janet I didn’t get or I lost the video. Some of your responses were
going to junk mail for some reason. Thanks for resending.
My vet said not to express bladder. Even after he got urine scald. And I’m
pretty sure she meant for any rabbit. She wants me to lay a bunny on his
back and lift in the air and bring him down quickly to scare the pee out.
She didn’t show me, she just described it pretty much that way. I’m afraid
of a bunny struggling and jumping or hurting himself.
Brenda
On Dec 21, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Roberta Kessler <rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Knowing how to express Frodo's bladder would be very helpful, Brenda..good
thing you have someone to teach you. Please let us know what you decide
about Friday
LovE,
Roberta
On 12/21/2021 12:38 AM Brenda B <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So starting with a shaved/trimmed bunny with healthy skin, what is the plan?
1). Do you guys express the bladder on disabled rabbits/? A local rabbit
rescue said she’d show me how to do it properly this week. She’s worked
with thousands of rabbits over many years. My vet won’t show me, for one
thing people aren’t allowed in the building, and she prefers holding the
rabbit on his back and raising in the air and bringing down fast to startle
them so they pee. Frodo is dizzy often and I don’t think he’d like a free
fall carnival ride. Plus she never showed me how to do it, it sounds crazy.
2)Vet bed or similar bedding. I think I’ve got that covered now. Using the
materials that a local rabbit rescue uses for disabled rabbits. Balin
tested it out by peeing all over it like a little snot, so I know it works.
3) barrier cream every day as a preventative?
Janet did you say the Vetrinus helped with that? Other choice is Butt
paste or the low zine Desitin (which is lower than the butt paste)
4) non-talc powder. When do you use that?
5) clean with warm wet cotton balls only if he gets damp/wet from urine (or
poop). Or butt bath if really wet. Then the Vetrinus/ Calendula gel or
butt paste or Desitin if irritated skin.
You guys are saints for putting up with my barrages of questions, which are
often repetitive as I try to grapple with all that’s going on.
Luv,
Brenda
On Dec 20, 2021, at 10:51 PM, Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I so happy he us better now Brenda. Like my friend said, I would keep
putting the butt paste on since it’s healed, but would also keep his fur
trimmed and have good vet bedding. I love the vetrinus gel, but you’d have
fo try and see his but worked. My Micah was fine with it and it did help.
I also used burts bees baby powder which is talc free after he was dry,
I am so happy he’s ok.
Love, Janet
On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:56 AM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So now that he’s healed up 98%, how do I prevent scald??! the fur is
really growing in now and it’s super velvety and feels so good to touch.
Can I put a&d or butt paste or desitin on top of the fur is it’s kept
short ? Desitin and Burt paste get stuck in the longer fur. The vetrinus
gel with calendula works great to heal and doesnt matt up the fur but
don’t know how much moisture barrier it is.
ingredients: Water, Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Sorbus (Pyrus Sorbus)
Extr., Glycerin, Hydrocotyle (Centella Asiatica) Extr., Calendula
Officinalis Extr., Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Sodium Bicarbonate, Carbomer
(*) , Sweet Marjoram (Origanum Majorana) Extr., Lavender (Lavandula
Angustifolia) Extr., Thyme (Thymus Vulgaris) Extr., Sage (Salvia
Officinalis) Extr.
Last night I found that he peed in his new diaper and part of his fur was
damp on his leg and tail. Not down to the skin though. The leg of the
diaper was wet. I got toilet paper and fluffed the fur and didn’t really
get any wetness on the toilet paper. Sooo i guess that’s good. This is
frustrating because i put him in his litter box to pee before bed and get
up 4 hours later to do the same and again a few hours later when I get up.
And he didn’t get Subcutaneous fluids yesterday either.
I just bought the original diapers I used, Huggies “instant dry.” That has
more layers and absorbable crystals. So hopefully that keeps him drier.
I need to go away Friday for about 10 hours and not sure I can or should
bring him with me. He might get too dizzy in the car 2.5 hours each way.
Plus they have an old dog but i could put him in his playpen up in a
bedroom with door shut. I’d probably have to bring his bonded mate too.
Ugh
If I leave him home I don’t know if I should diaper him or not. I don’t
know if he pees without a diaper will it get stuck in the loose skin near
his butt and cause scald. Maybe the better layer of towels and bath mats
and sheepskin I got will help and he does scoot around a little, a foot or
two in each direction. A rabbit rescue lady told me to get the massage
table 1” sheepskin mat that she used. I got it the other day. So that and
putting some kind of barrier cream on him might work.
-Brenda
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 13, 2021, at 3:34 AM, Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
She also said the red is scalding on frodo ans it will take about 4 or 5
days to work.
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:32 AM Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Brenda, regarding the butt paste, my friend said it’s not gonna work
overnight. But it has worked for her many times,
Love, Janet
On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 3:35 PM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ok I’ll get one but how do I put it on???
-Brenda
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 11, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Laura Mowrey <sshalimar16@xxxxxxx> wrote:
The kind you put on human babies.....the sleeves were short.
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From: naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 2:53 PM
To: naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Laura,
What kind of onesie did you get? With sleeves? I’m going to target to
try to find a different diaper and a shaver but I don’t know if I can
shave him, Ill have to beg the vet to have a good tech do it.
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 3, 2021, at 1:10 PM, Brenda Bennett <bennettbs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I’m worried that if I use a shirt or onesies that it will get wet and
cause more trouble. The only advice I got from my vet was to use SSD
ointment twice in one day, then switch to cornstarch the next day, and
so on, and to get it under control soon or PTS (because his quality of
life stinks right now —dizzy, ear infection, needs fit motility drugs,
now urine scald).
It seems like his rear legs are getting a lot stronger. His back left
leg has been very weak or numb or both since his ear infection and
dizziness started Oct 22. If he can just get onto/stay on his feet …
he lays on the same side because his balance is off and then he can’t
get up he can only scoot.
-Brenda
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Laura, what is Onsies?
Love,Janet
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:00 AM Laura Mowrey <sshalimar16@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
I have never had a reason to use it on a rabbit........I just know it
worked wonders on every other animal I have used it on. But like
anything else, no matter what you put on your animal, it's important
that they don't ingest it. Even SSD cream can cause problems if
ingested, and at the very least, if the animal is licking medicine
off, it's not going to do them any good. Someone on here mentioned
using human baby onesies....I have had really great success using
those on some animals as well, to keep them from licking or scratching
at certain areas of their bodies. Although I have had several rabbits
in my lifetime, they are by no means my area of expertise when it
comes to medical issues so I will defer to others who have more
knowledge than I do.
Now, when it comes to diet ideas and enrichment, I am all over that
subject! 😉
Blessings,
Laura Mowrey
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From: naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Evonne Vey
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 8:35 PM
To: naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
I swear by zinc oxide for urine scald...I had before and after
pictures of a bunny with urine scald and then being treated with zinc
-it was amazing -but I've lost the pictures now.
Evonne
On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 10:49:50 PM EST, Janet G
<wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think there are other ointments better than this to soothe urine
scale, just my opinion though, why echincea? Maybe ok for
infection…I’ve never had experience with this and wonder why because
it’s not something I’d use. The calendula is much more healing, it’s
something even my mom used and it’s amazing, this is interesting. It
talks about different causes of urine scald or burn
https://petcareadvisors.com/rabbits/urine-scald-in-rabbits-causes-and-treatments/
Love, Janet
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 1:21 PM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This is what the holistic vet gave me for another rabbits sore hocks.
Would this work to soothe the urine scald? I think I have to heal it
first and then switch to a barrier ointment
https://www.buckmountainbotanicals.net/treatments/woundbalm.html ;
-Brenda
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 2, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Brenda Bennett <bennettbs@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I left a message for the vet about Frodo and desitin or what to do.
Here is the reply
I checked him just now and I don’t see any pus anymore. So maybe
what she advises will work.
-Brenda
“
Dr. Lucas took a look at the photos you had sent. She states that
these sores are due to urine scald from Frodo laying in the same spot
for a period of time. Her instructions are as follows: keep him clean
and dry and you can alternate with the SSD ointment one day and then
corn starch the next. She wanted to stress NOT combining both the SSD
and corn starch together as that will make a paste and make things
worse. She did state that if the sores do not improve with time we
may need to discuss quality of life”
-Brenda
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 2, 2021, at 3:38 PM, Roberta Kessler <rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Riley could not reach his hind end to groom, so there was no worry
about ingesting. Evonne had good results with it, too. I wouldn't
want Frodo to be hurt by the Desitin or for Balin to ingest it if he
grooms Frodo. It worked well for Riley when he would develop skin
irritation, and I knew he couldn't ingest it. I used it on and off
for a few years. He lived to be almost 11. Please don't follow my
recommendation.
Love,
Roberta
On 12/02/2021 1:09 PM Laura Mowrey <sshalimar16@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I have never used Desitin on a rabbit, (I am far from an expert on
this species and they seem to be in a category all of their own for
sure).....but it worked very well on my possum. Roberta, did you
see any ill effects at all from using it on your bunny? ). Unsure
if either of these products would be an issue just applying it to
the skin or if its more problematic if licked off. Of course,
Desitin would not be good if the animal licked it either. Both
contain petroleum. Regardless, he needs something that forms a true
barrier and SSD cream alone will not provide that. Whatever is
used, just make sure Frodo isn't able to lick it.
Both Desitin and A&D contain some questionable ingredients, but I
think the main concern is if its ingested.
A&D ointment is a medicine that is rated safe for both humans and
pets. The main issue is that the ointment can be poisonous for dogs
if they ingest it and reach the intestines. ... You should know
that A&D ointment has zinc oxide as one of the healing agents for
rashes and wounds.
***If concerned about zinc, make sure you buy regular A&D, not A+D
Zinc Oxide Cream.
Desitin can also be toxic to dogs; however, in most cases, the dog
would have to either eat a large amount or eat the ointment on a
regular basis to have a toxic reaction. Having said that, it’s
still possible a dog could experience some digestive tract issues
from eating Desitin.
Blessings,
Laura Mowrey
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From: naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Janet G
<wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 10:35 AM
To: naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Brenda, I don’t want to disagree with Laura, but as I feel
different about ointments, as I suggested before, and from my own
personal experience with disabled rabbits and hares, that that A
and D ointment works better than Desitin, A and D is much more
protective and creamy and soft and more protective in my own
personal experience with both, also, please don’t use any with
zinc, Desitin also come with zinc with is toxic to bunnies. Also
the A and D comes in original strength, i would only get original.
Look at the differences online…Also, the A and D original has
vitamin ANd D in it which is healing, but both contain
petroleum…also, my good friend who rescues and rehabs bunnies who
are disabled uses a and d Original.
Please look at the online forum for disabled rabbits about the A
and D original ointment here, all have disabled bunnies,
http://www.disabledrabbits.com/urine-scald.html
Love, Janet
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 8:01 AM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I’ll try to get some desitin today. He got out of his diaper last
night and rolled in cecotropes. I don’t want to bathe him again
today it seems to make the area worse and some scabs fell off (I
didn’t think they were scabs at the time) and now those spots have
pus. Maybe I can pour some peroxide on the area or watered down
betadine to make sure there’s no poop on the bare skin. There is
some in the fur I’ll try to comb it out
We are all worn out. If his appt next week doesn’t show that his
ear infection is rapidly clearing, she said before it was incueable
but then the pus drastically improved, I’m going to ask to PTS. He
can only lay on one side and crawl a bit, but now that side has
sores. He can’t walk without a scarf holding him up. He’s not
eating much. He’s 9 ½
-Brenda
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 2, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Roberta Kessler
<rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I completely agree with you about the Desitin, Laura. If you
decide to try the Desitin, Brenda....be sure to get the original
formula. There is a newer type that is thinner; it doesn't stay
on as well.. don't buy that one. It worked well on my children,
and worked wonderfully on Riley, and stays on even when wet. It
forms a very good, moisture resistant barrier.
Love,
Roberta
On 12/02/2021 9:11 AM Laura Mowrey <sshalimar16@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Brenda, oh that poor little guy. 🙁 I want to pass on a little
trick I learned thru much trial and error when my disabled possum
Lucy was alive. She arrived here with 9 fractures, severe MBD and
all 4 of her legs were permanently splayed out to the sides so
she never walked.....she'd army crawl to get around just fine
though. Keeping her rash free was an insanely difficult task,
especially since female possums have pouches and when she'd pee
at night and lay in it, it would irritate her undersides and her
pouch something terrible. I tired SO many different things,
including the cream you are using on your little guy to no avail.
One day a lightbulb went off in my head and I thought huh, I
wonder if diaper cream would help. I bought some Desitin and OMG,
not only did it tamp down the irritation, it protected her like
nothing else from it developing out of control again. She could
not really reach to groom herself so I didn't have to worry about
her licking at it. In addition to that, I used Micro Tek shampoo
on her.....that stuff is amazing, it helps kill bacteria and
fungus/yeast, which is almost always a component you are dealing
with in cases like your little boy. You can find it online and
many Feed stores also carry it.
You are probably already aware that animals like your boy and my
Lucy are very prone to bacterial and yeast infections due to
those areas of their bodies being constantly moist. I would
advise that you wash that area with that shampoo I mentioned, it
has to sit for a few minutes on him. Make sure to rinse him well
in tepid water....if the water is too warm it will sting that
irritated skin even more. Now here comes the challenging part
with a bunny.....you must dry that area completely, using a low
heat because again, heat will only cause more irritation. I know
that's time consuming and no easy task, especially with a bunny
but do the best you can.
Once you are done, slather him in Desiten. It's messy I know, but
it will form a protective barrier on his skin. I am not 100% sure
if it's advisable to use both creams, I personally would put on a
layer of the SSD cream and then add the Desiten....I did that
with Lucy and it didn't cause any adverse skin reactions.
It sounds like this is going to be an on-going issue with your
boy so if this helps keep him comfortable, that's important. I
cannot imagine how much that must hurt if he gets urine on that
area. 🙁
If he is not already on a good probiotic for bunnies, get that
too......
Blessings,
Laura Mowrey
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From: naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 10:24 PM
To: naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Here’s pics of the sores and him in his diaper. With and without
flash. Not a great closeup. Its a little better than it was right
after the butt bath. It’s his upper thigh/butt where he lays all
the time. He only lays on one side. I Hope the diaper keeps him
dry tonight because I put the silver sulfa….. antibiotic cream
on his sores and it needs to stay on and not rubbed off and not
peed on. He’s still a wee bit damp from his butt bath but I have
to go to bed. I patted with paper towels, towels, sham wows, more
paper towels, hair dryer on low for like 20 minutes. OMG it’s
like it’s against the laws of nature for the fur to be completely
dry.
I can’t believe he got these scabs, it must be from having bare
skin rubbing on blankets and carpet and getting wet with pee. I
thought fur was falling out because I had to keep wiping/brushing
out some mushy poops. But then it kept falling out I was using
cornstarch to try and keep him dry/dry him up when he peed, but
it didn’t work. I put him on several layers of bedding to keep
him dry, it wasnt working a few days ago but I think I got it
figured out now so he can stay dry. But then he pees onto himself
sometimes so he gets wet again and the cornstarch didn’t prevent
the sores. Maybe they are bed sores or rug burn and urine scald?
Don’t tell him I took a pic of him in his diaper, he finds it
very undignified.
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Thanks for advice and support and prayers. We’re still hoping the
ear infections can be cured, then maybe he can get better. He’s
struggling with the dizziness and lack of mobility. He became
mobile again a couple weeks ago, but has backslid. the dizziness
and neurological issues cause one of his back legs to be weak and
for him to walk in circles until he falls over and can’t get back
up.
— Brenda
Janet
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