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That is too bad that you won't get coaching as to how to express Frodo's
bladder. Is there anyone else at a rescue, etc..that you know that could
show you?
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On 12/22/2021 12:18 AM Brenda Bennett <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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are afraid of angering the vet if she finds out.
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I Should never have answered her question as to which vet I see that would
prefer urine scald and sepsis to expressing a bladder. Turns out it’s her
vet.
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Sorry doesn’t sound right at all to me
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Yes the vet wants me to kinda drop him to startle him to pee. She
won’t show me how to express bladder because it’s dangerous. A local rabbit
rescue person was going to show me until I told her what vet i go to, which is
her vet, and she’s afraid of pissing off the vet.
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I agree Laura, 100 %. It is weird to me, what kind of vet would
even suggest that….it’s nuts to me. I am shocked,
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Wait, your vet advised you to literally scare the pee out of
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Wow, never heard of your vets procedure, expressing us much
easier and far less stressful putting you hand under his lower arm very gently,
I would not do what she said honestly never heard of it,
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If he is dry you can put the powder on and even if a little
gets on there it should help keep the skin dry, if too much,indeed you’d have
to clean and dry, but my friend said butt paste or the destin with low zinc can
b applied after healing,
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For clarification, can you guys comment on my plan?
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Did you mean that you put the butt paste after the skin
has healed to keep it dry…. UNTIL the fur grows back? Then stop
after it’s longer than peach fuzz?
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If the fur is long and only slightly damp with
urine, I could use the non-talc powder to eliminate any dampness?
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But if the fur is peach fuzz or the long fur is actually
wet, like almost down to or down to the skin, then I should use warm wet cotton
balls or a butt bath in the sink, depending on how bad the
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Hopefully I won’t have to butt bath because I have
better bedding now. Balin tested it out for me. *sigh*
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Some of your responses were going to junk mail for some reason. Thanks
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My vet said not to express bladder. Even after he got
urine scald. And I’m pretty sure she meant for any rabbit. She wants me
to lay a bunny on his back and lift in the air and bring him down quickly to
scare the pee out. She didn’t show me, she just described it pretty much
that way. I’m afraid of a bunny struggling and jumping or hurting himself.
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1). Do you guys express the bladder on disabled
rabbits/? A local rabbit rescue said she’d show me how to do it properly
this week. She’s worked with thousands of rabbits over many years. My
vet won’t show me, for one thing people aren’t allowed in the building, and she
prefers holding the rabbit on his back and raising in the air and bringing down
fast to startle them so they pee. Frodo is dizzy often and I don’t think
he’d like a free fall carnival ride. Plus she never showed me how to do
it, it sounds crazy.
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2)Vet bed or similar bedding. I think I’ve got
that covered now. Using the materials that a local rabbit rescue uses for
disabled rabbits. Balin tested it out by peeing all over it like a little
snot, so I know it works.
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3) barrier cream every day as a preventative?
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Janet did you say the Vetrinus helped with
that? Other choice is Butt paste or the low zine Desitin (which is lower
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5) clean with warm wet cotton balls only if he
gets damp/wet from urine (or poop). Or butt bath if really wet.
Then the Vetrinus/ Calendula gel or butt paste or Desitin if irritated skin.
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You guys are saints for putting up with my
barrages of questions, which are often repetitive as I try to grapple with all
that’s going on.
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I so happy he us better now Brenda. Like my
friend said, I would keep putting the butt paste on since it’s healed, but
would also keep his fur trimmed and have good vet bedding. I love the vetrinus
gel, but you’d have fo try and see his but worked. My Micah was fine with it
and it did help. I also used burts bees baby powder which is talc free
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So now that he’s healed up 98%, how do I
prevent scald??! the fur is really growing in now and it’s super velvety and
feels so good to touch. Can I put a&d or butt paste or desitin on top of
the fur is it’s kept short ? Desitin and Burt paste get stuck in the longer
fur. The vetrinus gel with calendula works great to heal and doesnt matt up the
fur but don’t know how much moisture barrier it is.
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Last night I found that he peed in his
new diaper and part of his fur was damp on his leg and tail. Not down to the
skin though. The leg of the diaper was wet. I got toilet paper and fluffed the
fur and didn’t really get any wetness on the toilet paper. Sooo i guess that’s
good. This is frustrating because i put him in his litter box to pee before bed
and get up 4 hours later to do the same and again a few hours later when I get
up. And he didn’t get Subcutaneous fluids yesterday either.
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I just bought the original diapers I
used, Huggies “instant dry.” That has more layers and absorbable crystals. So
hopefully that keeps him drier.
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I need to go away Friday for about 10
hours and not sure I can or should bring him with me. He might get too dizzy in
the car 2.5 hours each way. Plus they have an old dog but i could put him in
his playpen up in a bedroom with door shut. I’d probably have to bring his
bonded mate too. Ugh
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If I leave him home I don’t know if I
should diaper him or not. I don’t know if he pees without a diaper will it get
stuck in the loose skin near his butt and cause scald. Maybe the better layer
of towels and bath mats and sheepskin I got will help and he does
scoot around a little, a foot or two in each direction. A rabbit rescue lady
told me to get the massage table 1” sheepskin mat that she used. I got it the
other day. So that and putting some kind of barrier cream on him might
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Brenda, regarding the butt paste,
my friend said it’s not gonna work overnight. But it has worked for her many
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What kind of onesie did you
get? With sleeves? I’m going to target to try to find a different diaper
and a shaver but I don’t know if I can shave him, Ill have to beg the vet to
have a good tech do it.
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I’m worried that if I use
a shirt or onesies that it will get wet and cause more trouble. The only advice
I got from my vet was to use SSD ointment twice in one day, then switch to
cornstarch the next day, and so on, and to get it under control soon or PTS
(because his quality of life stinks right now —dizzy, ear infection, needs fit
motility drugs, now urine scald).
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It seems like his rear
legs are getting a lot stronger. His back left leg has been very weak or numb
or both since his ear infection and dizziness started Oct 22. If he can
just get onto/stay on his feet … he lays on the same side because his
balance is off and then he can’t get up he can only scoot.
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Laura, what is
Onsies?
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at 8:00 AM Laura Mowrey <<a target="_blank"
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I have never had
a reason to use it on a rabbit........I just know it worked wonders on every
other animal I have used it on. But like anything else, no matter what you put
on your animal, it's important that they don't ingest it. Even SSD cream can
cause problems if ingested, and at the very least, if the animal is licking
medicine off, it's not going to do them any good. Someone on here mentioned
using human baby onesies....I have had really great success using those on some
animals as well, to keep them from licking or scratching at certain areas of
their bodies. Although I have had several rabbits in my lifetime, they are by
no means my area of expertise when it comes to medical issues so I will defer
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Now, when it
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I swear by zinc
oxide for urine scald...I had before and after pictures of a bunny with
urine scald and then being treated with zinc -it was amazing -but I've lost the
pictures now.
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I think
there are other ointments better than this to soothe urine scale, just my
opinion though, why echincea? Maybe ok for infection…I’ve never had
experience with this and wonder why because it’s not something I’d use. The
calendula is much more healing, it’s something even my mom used and it’s
amazing, this is interesting. It talks about different causes of urine
scald or burn
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This is
what the holistic vet gave me for another rabbits sore hocks. Would this work
to soothe the urine scald? I think I have to heal it first and then switch to a
barrier ointment
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checked him just now and I don’t see any pus anymore. So maybe what she
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photos you had sent. She states that these sores are due to urine scald from
Frodo laying in the same spot for a period of time. Her instructions are as
follows: keep him clean and dry and you can alternate with the SSD ointment one
day and then corn starch the next. She wanted to stress NOT combining both the
SSD and corn starch together as that will make a paste and make things worse.
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his hind end to groom, so there was no worry about ingesting. Evonne had
good results with it, too. I wouldn't want Frodo to be hurt by the
Desitin or for Balin to ingest it if he grooms Frodo. It worked well for
Riley when he would develop skin irritation, and I knew he couldn't ingest
it. I used it on and off for a few years. He lived to be almost
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I have never used Desitin on a rabbit, (I am far from an expert on this species
and they seem to be in a category all of their own for sure).....but it worked
very well on my possum. Roberta, did you see any ill effects at all from using
it on your bunny? ). Unsure if either of these products would be an issue just
applying it to the skin or if its more problematic if licked off. Of course,
Desitin would not be good if the animal licked it either. Both contain
petroleum. Regardless, he needs something that forms a true barrier and SSD
cream alone will not provide that. Whatever is used, just make sure Frodo isn't
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that </span><strong style="font-family: Roboto,arial,sans-serif;
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know that A&D ointment has zinc oxide as one of the healing agents for
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about ointments, as I suggested before, and from my own personal
experience with disabled rabbits and hares, that that A and D ointment works
better than Desitin, A and D is much more protective and creamy and soft and
more protective in my own personal experience with both, also, please don’t use
any with zinc, Desitin also come with zinc with is toxic to bunnies. Also the A
and D comes in original strength, i would only get original. Look at the
differences online…Also, the A and D original has vitamin ANd D in it which is
healing, but both contain petroleum…also, my good friend who rescues and rehabs
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I’ll try to get some desitin today. He got out of his diaper last night and
rolled in cecotropes. I don’t want to bathe him again today it seems to make
the area worse and some scabs fell off (I didn’t think they were scabs at the
time) and now those spots have pus. Maybe I can pour some peroxide on the area
or watered down betadine to make sure there’s no poop on the bare skin. There
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We are all worn out. If his appt next week doesn’t show that his ear
infection is rapidly clearing, she said before it was incueable but then the
pus drastically improved, I’m going to ask to PTS. He can only lay on one
side and crawl a bit, but now that side has sores. He can’t walk without a
scarf holding him up. He’s not eating much. He’s 9 ½
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agree with you about the Desitin, Laura. If you decide to try the
Desitin, Brenda....be sure to get the original formula. There is a newer
type that is thinner; it doesn't stay on as well.. don't buy that one. It
worked well on my children, and worked wonderfully on Riley, and stays on even
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thru much trial and error when my disabled possum Lucy was alive. She arrived
here with 9 fractures, severe MBD and all 4 of her legs were permanently
splayed out to the sides so she never walked.....she'd army crawl to get around
just fine though. Keeping her rash free was an insanely difficult task,
especially since female possums have pouches and when she'd pee at night and
lay in it, it would irritate her undersides and her pouch something terrible. I
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One day a lightbulb went off in my head and I thought huh, I wonder if
diaper cream would help. I bought some Desitin and OMG, not only did it tamp
down the irritation, it protected her like nothing else from it developing out
of control again. She could not really reach to groom herself so I didn't have
to worry about her licking at it. In addition to that, I used Micro Tek shampoo
on her.....that stuff is amazing, it helps kill bacteria and fungus/yeast,
which is almost always a component you are dealing with in cases like your
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You are probably already aware that animals like your boy and my Lucy
are very prone to bacterial and yeast infections due to those areas of their
bodies being constantly moist. I would advise that you wash that area with that
shampoo I mentioned, it has to sit for a few minutes on him. Make sure to rinse
him well in tepid water....if the water is too warm it will sting that
irritated skin even more. Now here comes the challenging part with a
bunny.....you must dry that area completely, using a low heat because again,
heat will only cause more irritation. I know that's time consuming and no easy
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Once you are done, slather him in Desiten. It's messy I know, but it
will form a protective barrier on his skin. I am not 100% sure if it's
advisable to use both creams, I personally would put on a layer of the SSD
cream and then add the Desiten....I did that with Lucy and it didn't cause any
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It sounds like this is going to be an on-going issue with your boy so
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Here’s pics of the sores and him in his diaper. With and without
flash. Not a great closeup. Its a little better than it was right after the
butt bath. It’s his upper thigh/butt where he lays all the time. He only lays
on one side. I Hope the diaper keeps him dry tonight because I put the
silver sulfa….. antibiotic cream on his sores and it needs to stay on and not
rubbed off and not peed on. He’s still a wee bit damp from his butt bath but I
have to go to bed. I patted with paper towels, towels, sham wows, more paper
towels, hair dryer on low for like 20 minutes. OMG it’s like it’s against the
laws of nature for the fur to be completely dry.
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<br clear="none"> I can’t believe he got these scabs, it must be
from having bare skin rubbing on blankets and carpet and getting wet with pee.
I thought fur was falling out because I had to keep wiping/brushing out some
mushy poops. But then it kept falling out I was using cornstarch to try
and keep him dry/dry him up when he peed, but it didn’t work. I put him on
several layers of bedding to keep him dry, it wasnt working a few days ago but
I think I got it figured out now so he can stay dry. But then he pees onto
himself sometimes so he gets wet again and the cornstarch didn’t prevent the
sores. Maybe they are bed sores or rug burn and urine scald?
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<br clear="none">Thanks for advice and support and prayers. We’re
still hoping the ear infections can be cured, then maybe he can get better.
He’s struggling with the dizziness and lack of mobility. He became mobile again
a couple weeks ago, but has backslid. the dizziness and neurological
issues cause one of his back legs to be weak and for him to walk in circles
until he falls over and can’t get back up.
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