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Expressing a bladder can be scary at first.....sort of like tube feeding
can be. But once you get the hang of it, it will become 2nd nature to you
Brenda. There are tons of videos on youtube showing how this is properly done,
and when I googled it, I found many different links to this subject. And like
Janet said there are groups on FB that deal with disabled rabbits.
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When I have an animal who is challenging in any way, I start researching
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It’s easy, you just have to be very gentle. Are you on Facebook?
There are good disabled rabbits groups and other groups who have much
experience. Did she say why it is dangerous? I was used to it, it
was actually easy, I didn’t push hard. I just put my hand under the area and
held the bottom up and very gently expressed. It always came out because most
of the ones I did it to were not able to get up with their back legs.
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I was going to have someone show me how to express tomorrow but they
are afraid of angering the vet if she finds out.
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would prefer urine scald and sepsis to expressing a bladder. Turns out it’s her
vet.
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Sorry doesn’t sound right at all to me
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Yes the vet wants me to kinda drop him to startle him to pee.
She won’t show me how to express bladder because it’s dangerous. A local rabbit
rescue person was going to show me until I told her what vet i go to, which is
her vet, and she’s afraid of pissing off the vet.
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I agree Laura, 100 %. It is weird to me, what kind of vet
would even suggest that….it’s nuts to me. I am shocked,
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Wait, your vet advised you to literally scare the pee
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Wow, never heard of your vets procedure, expressing us
much easier and far less stressful putting you hand under his lower arm very
gently, I would not do what she said honestly never heard of it,
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If he is dry you can put the powder on and even if a
little gets on there it should help keep the skin dry, if too much,indeed you’d
have to clean and dry, but my friend said butt paste or the destin with low
zinc can b applied after healing,
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Did you mean that you put the butt paste after the
skin has healed to keep it dry…. UNTIL the fur grows back? Then
stop after it’s longer than peach fuzz?
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But if the fur is peach fuzz or the long fur is
actually wet, like almost down to or down to the skin, then I should use warm
wet cotton balls or a butt bath in the sink, depending on how bad
the situation is?
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Hopefully I won’t have to butt bath because I have
better bedding now. Balin tested it out for me. *sigh*
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My vet said not to express bladder. Even after he
got urine scald. And I’m pretty sure she meant for any rabbit. She wants
me to lay a bunny on his back and lift in the air and bring him down quickly to
scare the pee out. She didn’t show me, she just described it pretty much
that way. I’m afraid of a bunny struggling and jumping or hurting himself.
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<span style="font-family: helvetica;
font-size: 12pt;">Knowing how to express Frodo's bladder would be very helpful,
Brenda..good thing you have someone to teach you. Please let us know what
you decide about Friday </span>
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rel="noopener">dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:
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with healthy skin, what is the plan?
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1). Do you guys express the bladder on
disabled rabbits/? A local rabbit rescue said she’d show me how to do it
properly this week. She’s worked with thousands of rabbits over many years.
My vet won’t show me, for one thing people aren’t allowed in the
building, and she prefers holding the rabbit on his back and raising in the air
and bringing down fast to startle them so they pee. Frodo is dizzy often
and I don’t think he’d like a free fall carnival ride. Plus she never
showed me how to do it, it sounds crazy.
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2)Vet bed or similar bedding. I think I’ve
got that covered now. Using the materials that a local rabbit rescue uses for
disabled rabbits. Balin tested it out by peeing all over it like a little
snot, so I know it works.
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3) barrier cream every day as a preventative?
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Janet did you say the Vetrinus helped with
that? Other choice is Butt paste or the low zine Desitin (which is lower
than the butt paste)
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4) non-talc powder. When do you use
that?
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5) clean with warm wet cotton balls only if
he gets damp/wet from urine (or poop). Or butt bath if really wet.
Then the Vetrinus/ Calendula gel or butt paste or Desitin if irritated skin.
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You guys are saints for putting up with my
barrages of questions, which are often repetitive as I try to grapple with all
that’s going on.
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I so happy he us better now Brenda. Like
my friend said, I would keep putting the butt paste on since it’s healed, but
would also keep his fur trimmed and have good vet bedding. I love the vetrinus
gel, but you’d have fo try and see his but worked. My Micah was fine with it
and it did help. I also used burts bees baby powder which is talc free
after he was dry,
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I am so happy he’s ok.
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So now that he’s healed up 98%, how
do I prevent scald??! the fur is really growing in now and it’s super velvety
and feels so good to touch. Can I put a&d or butt paste or desitin on top
of the fur is it’s kept short ? Desitin and Burt paste get stuck in the longer
fur. The vetrinus gel with calendula works great to heal and doesnt matt up the
fur but don’t know how much moisture barrier it is.
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<span style="box-sizing: border-box;
background-color: #ffebb7; color: #0f1111; font-family: 'Amazon
Ember',Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 15px;">ingredients</span><span
style="color: #0f1111; font-family: 'Amazon Ember',Arial,sans-serif; font-size:
15px; background-color: #ffffff;">: Water, Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Sorbus
(Pyrus Sorbus) Extr., Glycerin, Hydrocotyle (Centella Asiatica) Extr.,
Calendula Officinalis Extr., Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Sodium Bicarbonate,
Carbomer (*) , Sweet Marjoram (Origanum Majorana) Extr., Lavender (Lavandula
Angustifolia) Extr., Thyme (Thymus Vulgaris) Extr., Sage (Salvia Officinalis)
Extr.</span>
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Last night I found that he peed in
his new diaper and part of his fur was damp on his leg and tail. Not down to
the skin though. The leg of the diaper was wet. I got toilet paper and fluffed
the fur and didn’t really get any wetness on the toilet paper. Sooo i guess
that’s good. This is frustrating because i put him in his litter box to pee
before bed and get up 4 hours later to do the same and again a few hours later
when I get up. And he didn’t get Subcutaneous fluids yesterday either.
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I just bought the original diapers I
used, Huggies “instant dry.” That has more layers and absorbable crystals. So
hopefully that keeps him drier.
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I need to go away Friday for about
10 hours and not sure I can or should bring him with me. He might get too dizzy
in the car 2.5 hours each way. Plus they have an old dog but i could put him in
his playpen up in a bedroom with door shut. I’d probably have to bring his
bonded mate too. Ugh
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If I leave him home I don’t know if
I should diaper him or not. I don’t know if he pees without a diaper will it
get stuck in the loose skin near his butt and cause scald. Maybe the better
layer of towels and bath mats and sheepskin I got will help and he
does scoot around a little, a foot or two in each direction. A rabbit rescue
lady told me to get the massage table 1” sheepskin mat that she used. I got it
the other day. So that and putting some kind of barrier cream on him
might work.
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G <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx" ;
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She also said the red is scalding
on frodo ans it will take about 4 or 5 days to work.
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AM Janet G <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx" ;
rel="noopener">wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:
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Brenda, regarding the butt
paste, my friend said it’s not gonna work overnight. But it has worked for her
many times,
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Love, Janet
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Ok I’ll get one but how do
I put it on???
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The kind you put on
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What kind of onesie did
you get? With sleeves? I’m going to target to try to find a different
diaper and a shaver but I don’t know if I can shave him, Ill have to beg the
vet to have a good tech do it.
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I’m worried that if I
use a shirt or onesies that it will get wet and cause more trouble. The only
advice I got from my vet was to use SSD ointment twice in one day, then switch
to cornstarch the next day, and so on, and to get it under control soon or PTS
(because his quality of life stinks right now —dizzy, ear infection, needs fit
motility drugs, now urine scald).
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It seems like his
rear legs are getting a lot stronger. His back left leg has been very weak or
numb or both since his ear infection and dizziness started Oct 22. If he
can just get onto/stay on his feet … he lays on the same side because his
balance is off and then he can’t get up he can only scoot.
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at 12:49 PM, Janet G <<a target="_blank"
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Laura, what is
Onsies?
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Love,Janet
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I have never
had a reason to use it on a rabbit........I just know it worked wonders on
every other animal I have used it on. But like anything else, no matter what
you put on your animal, it's important that they don't ingest it. Even SSD
cream can cause problems if ingested, and at the very least, if the animal is
licking medicine off, it's not going to do them any good. Someone on here
mentioned using human baby onesies....I have had really great success using
those on some animals as well, to keep them from licking or scratching at
certain areas of their bodies. Although I have had several rabbits in my
lifetime, they are by no means my area of expertise when it comes to medical
issues so I will defer to others who have more knowledge than I do.
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Now, when it
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I swear by
zinc oxide for urine scald...I had before and after pictures of a bunny
with urine scald and then being treated with zinc -it was amazing -but I've
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think there are other ointments better than this to soothe urine scale, just my
opinion though, why echincea? Maybe ok for infection…I’ve never had
experience with this and wonder why because it’s not something I’d use. The
calendula is much more healing, it’s something even my mom used and it’s
amazing, this is interesting. It talks about different causes of urine
scald or burn
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This is what the holistic vet gave me for another rabbits sore hocks. Would
this work to soothe the urine scald? I think I have to heal it first and then
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I checked him just now and I don’t see any pus anymore. So maybe what
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photos you had sent. She states that these sores are due to urine scald from
Frodo laying in the same spot for a period of time. Her instructions are as
follows: keep him clean and dry and you can alternate with the SSD ointment one
day and then corn starch the next. She wanted to stress NOT combining both the
SSD and corn starch together as that will make a paste and make things worse.
She did state that if the sores do not improve with time we may need to discuss
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<span style="font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Riley could not reach
his hind end to groom, so there was no worry about ingesting. Evonne had
good results with it, too. I wouldn't want Frodo to be hurt by the
Desitin or for Balin to ingest it if he grooms Frodo. It worked well for
Riley when he would develop skin irritation, and I knew he couldn't ingest
it. I used it on and off for a few years. He lived to be almost
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I have never used Desitin on a rabbit, (I am far from an expert on this
species and they seem to be in a category all of their own for sure).....but it
worked very well on my possum. Roberta, did you see any ill effects at all from
using it on your bunny? ). Unsure if either of these products would be an issue
just applying it to the skin or if its more problematic if licked off. Of
course, Desitin would not be good if the animal licked it either. Both contain
petroleum. Regardless, he needs something that forms a true barrier and SSD
cream alone will not provide that. Whatever is used, just make sure Frodo isn't
able to lick it.
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ointment is a medicine that is rated safe for both humans and pets. The main
issue is that </span><strong style="font-family: Roboto,arial,sans-serif;
text-align: left; background-color: #ffffff; color: #202124;">the ointment can
be poisonous for dogs if they ingest it and reach the intestines</strong><span
style="font-family: Roboto,arial,sans-serif; text-align: left; display:
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know that A&D ointment has zinc oxide as one of the healing agents for
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toxic to dogs; however, in most cases, the dog would have to either eat a large
amount or eat the ointment on a regular basis to have a toxic reaction. Having
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Brenda, I don’t want to disagree with Laura, but as I feel different
about ointments, as I suggested before, and from my own personal
experience with disabled rabbits and hares, that that A and D ointment works
better than Desitin, A and D is much more protective and creamy and soft and
more protective in my own personal experience with both, also, please don’t use
any with zinc, Desitin also come with zinc with is toxic to bunnies. Also the A
and D comes in original strength, i would only get original. Look at the
differences online…Also, the A and D original has vitamin ANd D in it which is
healing, but both contain petroleum…also, my good friend who rescues and rehabs
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I’ll try to get some desitin today. He got out of his diaper last night
and rolled in cecotropes. I don’t want to bathe him again today it seems to
make the area worse and some scabs fell off (I didn’t think they were scabs at
the time) and now those spots have pus. Maybe I can pour some peroxide on the
area or watered down betadine to make sure there’s no poop on the bare skin.
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We are all worn out. If his appt next week doesn’t show that his ear
infection is rapidly clearing, she said before it was incueable but then the
pus drastically improved, I’m going to ask to PTS. He can only lay on one
side and crawl a bit, but now that side has sores. He can’t walk without a
scarf holding him up. He’s not eating much. He’s 9 ½
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agree with you about the Desitin, Laura. If you decide to try the
Desitin, Brenda....be sure to get the original formula. There is a newer
type that is thinner; it doesn't stay on as well.. don't buy that one. It
worked well on my children, and worked wonderfully on Riley, and stays on even
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little trick I learned thru much trial and error when my disabled possum Lucy
was alive. She arrived here with 9 fractures, severe MBD and all 4 of her legs
were permanently splayed out to the sides so she never walked.....she'd army
crawl to get around just fine though. Keeping her rash free was an insanely
difficult task, especially since female possums have pouches and when she'd pee
at night and lay in it, it would irritate her undersides and her pouch
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One day a lightbulb went off in my head and I thought huh, I
wonder if diaper cream would help. I bought some Desitin and OMG, not only did
it tamp down the irritation, it protected her like nothing else from it
developing out of control again. She could not really reach to groom herself so
I didn't have to worry about her licking at it. In addition to that, I used
Micro Tek shampoo on her.....that stuff is amazing, it helps kill bacteria and
fungus/yeast, which is almost always a component you are dealing with in cases
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Lucy are very prone to bacterial and yeast infections due to those areas of
their bodies being constantly moist. I would advise that you wash that area
with that shampoo I mentioned, it has to sit for a few minutes on him. Make
sure to rinse him well in tepid water....if the water is too warm it will sting
that irritated skin even more. Now here comes the challenging part with a
bunny.....you must dry that area completely, using a low heat because again,
heat will only cause more irritation. I know that's time consuming and no easy
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Here’s pics of the sores and him in his diaper. With and without
flash. Not a great closeup. Its a little better than it was right after the
butt bath. It’s his upper thigh/butt where he lays all the time. He only lays
on one side. I Hope the diaper keeps him dry tonight because I put the
silver sulfa….. antibiotic cream on his sores and it needs to stay on and not
rubbed off and not peed on. He’s still a wee bit damp from his butt bath but I
have to go to bed. I patted with paper towels, towels, sham wows, more paper
towels, hair dryer on low for like 20 minutes. OMG it’s like it’s against the
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must be from having bare skin rubbing on blankets and carpet and getting wet
with pee. I thought fur was falling out because I had to keep wiping/brushing
out some mushy poops. But then it kept falling out I was using cornstarch
to try and keep him dry/dry him up when he peed, but it didn’t work. I put him
on several layers of bedding to keep him dry, it wasnt working a few days ago
but I think I got it figured out now so he can stay dry. But then he pees onto
himself sometimes so he gets wet again and the cornstarch didn’t prevent the
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We’re still hoping the ear infections can be cured, then maybe he can get
better. He’s struggling with the dizziness and lack of mobility. He became
mobile again a couple weeks ago, but has backslid. the dizziness and
neurological issues cause one of his back legs to be weak and for him to walk
in circles until he falls over and can’t get back up.
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