Expressing a bladder can be scary at first.....sort of like tube feeding can
be. But once you get the hang of it, it will become 2nd nature to you Brenda.
There are tons of videos on youtube showing how this is properly done, and when
I googled it, I found many different links to this subject. And like Janet said
there are groups on FB that deal with disabled rabbits.
When I have an animal who is challenging in any way, I start researching the
heck out of it. I Google it, I look on youtube, and I look for Facebook support
groups. I do not rely on my Vets advice alone, I want to gain as much knowledge
as I can and get as many opinions as I can from folks who have similar
circumstances. Here are links to the 2 I found, you will need to join Facebook
if you are not already on there:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/201759429869484
https://www.facebook.com/groups/365563401294689
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Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
It’s easy, you just have to be very gentle. Are you on Facebook? There are
good disabled rabbits groups and other groups who have much experience. Did
she say why it is dangerous? I was used to it, it was actually easy, I didn’t
push hard. I just put my hand under the area and held the bottom up and very
gently expressed. It always came out because most of the ones I did it to were
not able to get up with their back legs.
Love, Janet
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 10:18 PM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I was going to have someone show me how to express tomorrow but they are afraid
of angering the vet if she finds out.
I Should never have answered her question as to which vet I see that would
prefer urine scald and sepsis to expressing a bladder. Turns out it’s her vet.
-Brenda
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On Dec 22, 2021, at 12:50 AM, Janet G
<wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Sorry doesn’t sound right at all to me
Love, Janet
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 8:36 PM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Yes the vet wants me to kinda drop him to startle him to pee. She won’t show me
how to express bladder because it’s dangerous. A local rabbit rescue person was
going to show me until I told her what vet i go to, which is her vet, and she’s
afraid of pissing off the vet.
-Brenda
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 21, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Janet G
<wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I agree Laura, 100 %. It is weird to me, what kind of vet would even suggest
that….it’s nuts to me. I am shocked,
Love, Janet
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 1:13 PM Laura Mowrey
<sshalimar16@xxxxxxx<mailto:sshalimar16@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
Wait, your vet advised you to literally scare the pee out of him??!! That
sounds wrong on every level to me.....
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Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Wow, never heard of your vets procedure, expressing us much easier and far less
stressful putting you hand under his lower arm very gently, I would not do
what she said honestly never heard of it,
If he is dry you can put the powder on and even if a little gets on there it
should help keep the skin dry, if too much,indeed you’d have to clean and dry,
but my friend said butt paste or the destin with low zinc can b applied after
healing,
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 9:39 AM Brenda B
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
For clarification, can you guys comment on my plan?
Did you mean that you put the butt paste after the skin has healed to keep it
dry…. UNTIL the fur grows back? Then stop after it’s longer than peach fuzz?
If the fur is long and only slightly damp with urine, I could use the non-talc
powder to eliminate any dampness?
But if the fur is peach fuzz or the long fur is actually wet, like almost down
to or down to the skin, then I should use warm wet cotton balls or a butt
bath in the sink, depending on how bad the situation is?
Hopefully I won’t have to butt bath because I have better bedding now. Balin
tested it out for me. *sigh*
No janet I didn’t get or I lost the video. Some of your responses were going
to junk mail for some reason. Thanks for resending.
My vet said not to express bladder. Even after he got urine scald. And I’m
pretty sure she meant for any rabbit. She wants me to lay a bunny on his back
and lift in the air and bring him down quickly to scare the pee out. She
didn’t show me, she just described it pretty much that way. I’m afraid of a
bunny struggling and jumping or hurting himself.
Brenda
On Dec 21, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Roberta Kessler
<rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Knowing how to express Frodo's bladder would be very helpful, Brenda..good
thing you have someone to teach you. Please let us know what you decide about
Friday
LovE,
Roberta
On 12/21/2021 12:38 AM Brenda B
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
So starting with a shaved/trimmed bunny with healthy skin, what is the plan?
1). Do you guys express the bladder on disabled rabbits/? A local rabbit
rescue said she’d show me how to do it properly this week. She’s worked with
thousands of rabbits over many years. My vet won’t show me, for one thing
people aren’t allowed in the building, and she prefers holding the rabbit on
his back and raising in the air and bringing down fast to startle them so they
pee. Frodo is dizzy often and I don’t think he’d like a free fall carnival
ride. Plus she never showed me how to do it, it sounds crazy.
2)Vet bed or similar bedding. I think I’ve got that covered now. Using the
materials that a local rabbit rescue uses for disabled rabbits. Balin tested
it out by peeing all over it like a little snot, so I know it works.
3) barrier cream every day as a preventative?
Janet did you say the Vetrinus helped with that? Other choice is Butt paste or
the low zine Desitin (which is lower than the butt paste)
4) non-talc powder. When do you use that?
5) clean with warm wet cotton balls only if he gets damp/wet from urine (or
poop). Or butt bath if really wet. Then the Vetrinus/ Calendula gel or butt
paste or Desitin if irritated skin.
You guys are saints for putting up with my barrages of questions, which are
often repetitive as I try to grapple with all that’s going on.
Luv,
Brenda
On Dec 20, 2021, at 10:51 PM, Janet G
<wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I so happy he us better now Brenda. Like my friend said, I would keep putting
the butt paste on since it’s healed, but would also keep his fur trimmed and
have good vet bedding. I love the vetrinus gel, but you’d have fo try and see
his but worked. My Micah was fine with it and it did help. I also used burts
bees baby powder which is talc free after he was dry,
I am so happy he’s ok.
Love, Janet
On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:56 AM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
So now that he’s healed up 98%, how do I prevent scald??! the fur is really
growing in now and it’s super velvety and feels so good to touch. Can I put a&d
or butt paste or desitin on top of the fur is it’s kept short ? Desitin and
Burt paste get stuck in the longer fur. The vetrinus gel with calendula works
great to heal and doesnt matt up the fur but don’t know how much moisture
barrier it is.
ingredients: Water, Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Sorbus (Pyrus Sorbus) Extr.,
Glycerin, Hydrocotyle (Centella Asiatica) Extr., Calendula Officinalis Extr.,
Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Sodium Bicarbonate, Carbomer (*) , Sweet Marjoram
(Origanum Majorana) Extr., Lavender (Lavandula Angustifolia) Extr., Thyme
(Thymus Vulgaris) Extr., Sage (Salvia Officinalis) Extr.
Last night I found that he peed in his new diaper and part of his fur was damp
on his leg and tail. Not down to the skin though. The leg of the diaper was
wet. I got toilet paper and fluffed the fur and didn’t really get any wetness
on the toilet paper. Sooo i guess that’s good. This is frustrating because i
put him in his litter box to pee before bed and get up 4 hours later to do the
same and again a few hours later when I get up. And he didn’t get Subcutaneous
fluids yesterday either.
I just bought the original diapers I used, Huggies “instant dry.” That has more
layers and absorbable crystals. So hopefully that keeps him drier.
I need to go away Friday for about 10 hours and not sure I can or should bring
him with me. He might get too dizzy in the car 2.5 hours each way. Plus they
have an old dog but i could put him in his playpen up in a bedroom with door
shut. I’d probably have to bring his bonded mate too. Ugh
If I leave him home I don’t know if I should diaper him or not. I don’t know if
he pees without a diaper will it get stuck in the loose skin near his butt and
cause scald. Maybe the better layer of towels and bath mats and sheepskin I
got will help and he does scoot around a little, a foot or two in each
direction. A rabbit rescue lady told me to get the massage table 1” sheepskin
mat that she used. I got it the other day. So that and putting some kind of
barrier cream on him might work.
-Brenda
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On Dec 13, 2021, at 3:34 AM, Janet G
<wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
She also said the red is scalding on frodo ans it will take about 4 or 5 days
to work.
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:32 AM Janet G
<wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Brenda, regarding the butt paste, my friend said it’s not gonna work overnight.
But it has worked for her many times,
Love, Janet
On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 3:35 PM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Ok I’ll get one but how do I put it on???
-Brenda
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On Dec 11, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Laura Mowrey
<sshalimar16@xxxxxxx<mailto:sshalimar16@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
The kind you put on human babies.....the sleeves were short.
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Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Laura,
What kind of onesie did you get? With sleeves? I’m going to target to try to
find a different diaper and a shaver but I don’t know if I can shave him, Ill
have to beg the vet to have a good tech do it.
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 3, 2021, at 1:10 PM, Brenda Bennett
<bennettbs@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bennettbs@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I’m worried that if I use a shirt or onesies that it will get wet and cause
more trouble. The only advice I got from my vet was to use SSD ointment twice
in one day, then switch to cornstarch the next day, and so on, and to get it
under control soon or PTS (because his quality of life stinks right now —dizzy,
ear infection, needs fit motility drugs, now urine scald).
It seems like his rear legs are getting a lot stronger. His back left leg has
been very weak or numb or both since his ear infection and dizziness started
Oct 22. If he can just get onto/stay on his feet … he lays on the same side
because his balance is off and then he can’t get up he can only scoot.
-Brenda
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On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Janet G
<wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Laura, what is Onsies?
Love,Janet
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:00 AM Laura Mowrey
<sshalimar16@xxxxxxx<mailto:sshalimar16@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
I have never had a reason to use it on a rabbit........I just know it worked
wonders on every other animal I have used it on. But like anything else, no
matter what you put on your animal, it's important that they don't ingest it.
Even SSD cream can cause problems if ingested, and at the very least, if the
animal is licking medicine off, it's not going to do them any good. Someone on
here mentioned using human baby onesies....I have had really great success
using those on some animals as well, to keep them from licking or scratching at
certain areas of their bodies. Although I have had several rabbits in my
lifetime, they are by no means my area of expertise when it comes to medical
issues so I will defer to others who have more knowledge than I do.
Now, when it comes to diet ideas and enrichment, I am all over that subject! 😉
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Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
I swear by zinc oxide for urine scald...I had before and after pictures of a
bunny with urine scald and then being treated with zinc -it was amazing -but
I've lost the pictures now.
Evonne
On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 10:49:50 PM EST, Janet G
<wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I think there are other ointments better than this to soothe urine scale, just
my opinion though, why echincea? Maybe ok for infection…I’ve never had
experience with this and wonder why because it’s not something I’d use. The
calendula is much more healing, it’s something even my mom used and it’s
amazing, this is interesting. It talks about different causes of urine scald
or burn
https://petcareadvisors.com/rabbits/urine-scald-in-rabbits-causes-and-treatments/
Love, Janet
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 1:21 PM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
This is what the holistic vet gave me for another rabbits sore hocks. Would
this work to soothe the urine scald? I think I have to heal it first and then
switch to a barrier ointment
https://www.buckmountainbotanicals.net/treatments/woundbalm.html
-Brenda
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On Dec 2, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Brenda Bennett
<bennettbs@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bennettbs@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I left a message for the vet about Frodo and desitin or what to do. Here is the
reply
I checked him just now and I don’t see any pus anymore. So maybe what she
advises will work.
-Brenda
“
Dr. Lucas took a look at the photos you had sent. She states that these sores
are due to urine scald from Frodo laying in the same spot for a period of time.
Her instructions are as follows: keep him clean and dry and you can alternate
with the SSD ointment one day and then corn starch the next. She wanted to
stress NOT combining both the SSD and corn starch together as that will make a
paste and make things worse. She did state that if the sores do not improve
with time we may need to discuss quality of life”
-Brenda
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On Dec 2, 2021, at 3:38 PM, Roberta Kessler
<rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Riley could not reach his hind end to groom, so there was no worry about
ingesting. Evonne had good results with it, too. I wouldn't want Frodo to be
hurt by the Desitin or for Balin to ingest it if he grooms Frodo. It worked
well for Riley when he would develop skin irritation, and I knew he couldn't
ingest it. I used it on and off for a few years. He lived to be almost 11.
Please don't follow my recommendation.
Love,
Roberta
On 12/02/2021 1:09 PM Laura Mowrey
<sshalimar16@xxxxxxx<mailto:sshalimar16@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
I have never used Desitin on a rabbit, (I am far from an expert on this species
and they seem to be in a category all of their own for sure).....but it worked
very well on my possum. Roberta, did you see any ill effects at all from using
it on your bunny? ). Unsure if either of these products would be an issue just
applying it to the skin or if its more problematic if licked off. Of course,
Desitin would not be good if the animal licked it either. Both contain
petroleum. Regardless, he needs something that forms a true barrier and SSD
cream alone will not provide that. Whatever is used, just make sure Frodo isn't
able to lick it.
Both Desitin and A&D contain some questionable ingredients, but I think the
main concern is if its ingested.
A&D ointment is a medicine that is rated safe for both humans and pets. The
main issue is that the ointment can be poisonous for dogs if they ingest it and
reach the intestines. ... You should know that A&D ointment has zinc oxide as
one of the healing agents for rashes and wounds.
***If concerned about zinc, make sure you buy regular A&D, not A+D Zinc Oxide
Cream.
Desitin can also be toxic to dogs; however, in most cases, the dog would have
to either eat a large amount or eat the ointment on a regular basis to have a
toxic reaction. Having said that, it’s still possible a dog could experience
some digestive tract issues from eating Desitin.
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on behalf of Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 10:35 AM
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<naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Brenda, I don’t want to disagree with Laura, but as I feel different about
ointments, as I suggested before, and from my own personal experience with
disabled rabbits and hares, that that A and D ointment works better than
Desitin, A and D is much more protective and creamy and soft and more
protective in my own personal experience with both, also, please don’t use any
with zinc, Desitin also come with zinc with is toxic to bunnies. Also the A and
D comes in original strength, i would only get original. Look at the
differences online…Also, the A and D original has vitamin ANd D in it which is
healing, but both contain petroleum…also, my good friend who rescues and rehabs
bunnies who are disabled uses a and d Original.
Please look at the online forum for disabled rabbits about the A and D original
ointment here, all have disabled bunnies,
http://www.disabledrabbits.com/urine-scald.html
Love, Janet
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 8:01 AM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I’ll try to get some desitin today. He got out of his diaper last night and
rolled in cecotropes. I don’t want to bathe him again today it seems to make
the area worse and some scabs fell off (I didn’t think they were scabs at the
time) and now those spots have pus. Maybe I can pour some peroxide on the area
or watered down betadine to make sure there’s no poop on the bare skin. There
is some in the fur I’ll try to comb it out
We are all worn out. If his appt next week doesn’t show that his ear infection
is rapidly clearing, she said before it was incueable but then the pus
drastically improved, I’m going to ask to PTS. He can only lay on one side and
crawl a bit, but now that side has sores. He can’t walk without a scarf holding
him up. He’s not eating much. He’s 9 ½
-Brenda
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On Dec 2, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Roberta Kessler
<rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I completely agree with you about the Desitin, Laura. If you decide to try the
Desitin, Brenda....be sure to get the original formula. There is a newer type
that is thinner; it doesn't stay on as well.. don't buy that one. It worked
well on my children, and worked wonderfully on Riley, and stays on even when
wet. It forms a very good, moisture resistant barrier.
Love,
Roberta
On 12/02/2021 9:11 AM Laura Mowrey
<sshalimar16@xxxxxxx<mailto:sshalimar16@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
Brenda, oh that poor little guy. 🙁 I want to pass on a little trick I learned
thru much trial and error when my disabled possum Lucy was alive. She arrived
here with 9 fractures, severe MBD and all 4 of her legs were permanently
splayed out to the sides so she never walked.....she'd army crawl to get around
just fine though. Keeping her rash free was an insanely difficult task,
especially since female possums have pouches and when she'd pee at night and
lay in it, it would irritate her undersides and her pouch something terrible. I
tired SO many different things, including the cream you are using on your
little guy to no avail.
One day a lightbulb went off in my head and I thought huh, I wonder if diaper
cream would help. I bought some Desitin and OMG, not only did it tamp down the
irritation, it protected her like nothing else from it developing out of
control again. She could not really reach to groom herself so I didn't have to
worry about her licking at it. In addition to that, I used Micro Tek shampoo on
her.....that stuff is amazing, it helps kill bacteria and fungus/yeast, which
is almost always a component you are dealing with in cases like your little
boy. You can find it online and many Feed stores also carry it.
You are probably already aware that animals like your boy and my Lucy are very
prone to bacterial and yeast infections due to those areas of their bodies
being constantly moist. I would advise that you wash that area with that
shampoo I mentioned, it has to sit for a few minutes on him. Make sure to rinse
him well in tepid water....if the water is too warm it will sting that
irritated skin even more. Now here comes the challenging part with a
bunny.....you must dry that area completely, using a low heat because again,
heat will only cause more irritation. I know that's time consuming and no easy
task, especially with a bunny but do the best you can.
Once you are done, slather him in Desiten. It's messy I know, but it will form
a protective barrier on his skin. I am not 100% sure if it's advisable to use
both creams, I personally would put on a layer of the SSD cream and then add
the Desiten....I did that with Lucy and it didn't cause any adverse skin
reactions.
It sounds like this is going to be an on-going issue with your boy so if this
helps keep him comfortable, that's important. I cannot imagine how much that
must hurt if he gets urine on that area. 🙁
If he is not already on a good probiotic for bunnies, get that too......
Blessings,
Laura Mowrey
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Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Here’s pics of the sores and him in his diaper. With and without flash. Not a
great closeup. Its a little better than it was right after the butt bath. It’s
his upper thigh/butt where he lays all the time. He only lays on one side. I
Hope the diaper keeps him dry tonight because I put the silver sulfa…..
antibiotic cream on his sores and it needs to stay on and not rubbed off and
not peed on. He’s still a wee bit damp from his butt bath but I have to go to
bed. I patted with paper towels, towels, sham wows, more paper towels, hair
dryer on low for like 20 minutes. OMG it’s like it’s against the laws of nature
for the fur to be completely dry.
I can’t believe he got these scabs, it must be from having bare skin rubbing
on blankets and carpet and getting wet with pee. I thought fur was falling out
because I had to keep wiping/brushing out some mushy poops. But then it kept
falling out I was using cornstarch to try and keep him dry/dry him up when he
peed, but it didn’t work. I put him on several layers of bedding to keep him
dry, it wasnt working a few days ago but I think I got it figured out now so he
can stay dry. But then he pees onto himself sometimes so he gets wet again and
the cornstarch didn’t prevent the sores. Maybe they are bed sores or rug burn
and urine scald?
Don’t tell him I took a pic of him in his diaper, he finds it very undignified.
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Thanks for advice and support and prayers. We’re still hoping the ear
infections can be cured, then maybe he can get better. He’s struggling with the
dizziness and lack of mobility. He became mobile again a couple weeks ago, but
has backslid. the dizziness and neurological issues cause one of his back legs
to be weak and for him to walk in circles until he falls over and can’t get
back up.
— Brenda
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Janet
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