[naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo

  • From: Roberta Kessler <rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 10:37:19 -0600 (CST)

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this excellent advice for Brenda, Janet!&nbsp; I am sure it will be very 
helpful to Brenda.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
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    On 12/21/2021 1:03 AM Janet G &lt;wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx&gt; wrote:
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    I only expressed my hares when they were incontinent or had injured legs 
and one rabbit who couldn’t pee and also disabled, paralyzed. It’s not hard to 
do,lots of videos online, yes, he needs to be expressed, jmo.&nbsp; How weird 
you can’t see the vet? This would help him pee without peeing on himself. Also, 
I sent you a video on expressing rabbits by Amy Spitzman (sp?)who is hrs 
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    Micah and also Zacky peed on himself because of sludge but the vet bedding 
worked I only had to use the veterinus while the area was healing. I have used 
both vetrinus and A and D…I’ve used so many different things. The veterinus 
also protects but I am not sure since you say Frodo is lying on the side with 
the pee. Are you expressing?&nbsp; When I cleaned Zacky and he started healing 
I sometimes had to continue giving him a little butt both, but also dried him 
and and there were times I used burts bees powder (always talc free) and it 
kept the area nice and dry even if he dribbled a bit, you might need to use the 
butt paste if he is on the area constantly. I wish I could see him here, it’s 
difficult for me me to say as the good vet bedding I told you about worked 
wonders for &nbsp;Micah and Zacky too. Micah was on it all the time…Zacky only 
when he dribbled…
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    Simply put, my friend who rescues disabled rabbits said butt paste after 
it’s healed to keep it dry….or the low zinc Desitin whichever you prefer…..why 
not try the veterinus gel to see if it will protect, I also liked the spray….
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    Here is a good link about disabled rabbit&nbsp;
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    Love, Janet&nbsp;
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    Here is the video again that shows how to express a rabbits bladder.&nbsp; 
It’s not hard, but be very gentle and every time I’ve done it the pee just 
comes out easily,&nbsp;
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      On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:38 PM Brenda B &lt;<a 
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       So starting with a shaved/trimmed bunny with healthy skin, what is the 
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        1). Do you guys express the bladder on disabled rabbits/?&nbsp; A local 
rabbit rescue said she’d show me how to do it properly this week. She’s worked 
with thousands of rabbits over many years. &nbsp; My vet won’t show me, for one 
thing people aren’t allowed in the building, and she prefers holding the rabbit 
on his back and raising in the air and bringing down fast to startle them so 
they pee.&nbsp; Frodo is dizzy often and I don’t think he’d like a free fall 
carnival ride.&nbsp; Plus she never showed me how to do it, it sounds crazy.
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        2)Vet bed or similar bedding. I think I’ve got that covered now. Using 
the materials that a local rabbit rescue uses for disabled rabbits.&nbsp; Balin 
tested it out by peeing all over it like a little snot, so I know it works.
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        3) barrier cream every day as a preventative?
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        Janet did you say the Vetrinus helped with that?&nbsp; Other choice is 
Butt paste or the low zine Desitin (which is lower than the butt paste)
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        4) non-talc powder.&nbsp; When do you use that?
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        5) clean with warm wet cotton balls only if he gets damp/wet from urine 
(or poop).&nbsp; Or butt bath if really wet.&nbsp; Then the Vetrinus/ Calendula 
gel or butt paste or Desitin if irritated skin.
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        You guys are saints for putting up with my barrages of questions, which 
are often repetitive as I try to grapple with all that’s going on.
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        Luv,
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        Brenda
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           On Dec 20, 2021, at 10:51 PM, Janet G &lt;<a target="_blank" 
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            I so happy he us better now Brenda. Like my friend said, I would 
keep putting the butt paste on since it’s healed, but would also keep his fur 
trimmed and have good vet bedding. I love the vetrinus gel, but you’d have fo 
try and see his but worked. My Micah was fine with it and it did help.&nbsp; I 
also used burts bees baby powder which is talc free after he was dry,&nbsp;
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            I am so happy he’s ok.&nbsp;
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            Love, Janet&nbsp;
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              On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:56 AM Brenda Bennett &lt;<a 
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                So now that he’s healed up 98%, how do I prevent scald??! the 
fur is really growing in now and it’s super velvety and feels so good to touch. 
Can I put a&amp;d or butt paste or desitin on top of the fur is it’s kept short 
? Desitin and Burt paste get stuck in the longer fur. The vetrinus gel with 
calendula works great to heal and doesnt matt up the fur but don’t know how 
much moisture barrier it is.&nbsp;
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                 Last night I found that he peed in his new diaper and part of 
his fur was damp on his leg and tail. Not down to the skin though. The leg of 
the diaper was wet. I got toilet paper and fluffed the fur and didn’t really 
get any wetness on the toilet paper. Sooo i guess that’s good. This is 
frustrating because i put him in his litter box to pee before bed and get up 4 
hours later to do the same and again a few hours later when I get up. And he 
didn’t get Subcutaneous fluids yesterday either.&nbsp;
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                 I just bought the original diapers I used, Huggies “instant 
dry.” That has more layers and absorbable crystals. So hopefully that keeps him 
drier.&nbsp;
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                 I need to go away Friday for about 10 hours and not sure I can 
or should bring him with me. He might get too dizzy in the car 2.5 hours each 
way. Plus they have an old dog but i could put him in his playpen up in a 
bedroom with door shut. I’d probably have to bring his bonded mate too. Ugh 
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                 If I leave him home I don’t know if I should diaper him or 
not. I don’t know if he pees without a diaper will it get stuck in the loose 
skin near his butt and cause scald. Maybe the better layer of &nbsp;towels and 
bath mats &nbsp;and sheepskin I got will help and he does scoot around a 
little, a foot or two in each direction. A rabbit rescue lady told me to get 
the massage table 1” sheepskin mat that she used. I got it the other day.&nbsp; 
So that and putting some kind of barrier cream on him might work.&nbsp;
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                    She also said the red is scalding on frodo ans it will take 
about 4 or 5 days to work.&nbsp;
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                      On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:32 AM Janet G &lt;<a 
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                       Brenda, regarding the butt paste, my friend said it’s 
not gonna work overnight. But it has worked for her many times,&nbsp;
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                       Love, Janet
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                         On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 3:35 PM Brenda Bennett &lt;<a 
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                          Ok I’ll get one but how do I put it on???&nbsp;
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Bennett &lt;<a style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;" target="_blank" 
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                              What kind of onesie did you get? With 
sleeves?&nbsp; I’m going to target to try to find a different diaper and a 
shaver but I don’t know if I can shave him, Ill have to beg the vet to have a 
good tech do it.&nbsp;
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                               <br>On Dec 3, 2021, at 1:10 PM, Brenda Bennett 
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                                I’m worried that if I use a shirt or onesies 
that it will get wet and cause more trouble. The only advice I got from my vet 
was to use SSD ointment twice in one day, then switch to cornstarch the next 
day, and so on, and to get it under control soon or PTS (because his quality of 
life stinks right now —dizzy, ear infection, needs fit motility drugs, now 
urine scald).&nbsp;
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                                 It seems like his rear legs are getting a lot 
stronger. His back left leg has been very weak or numb or both since his ear 
infection and dizziness started Oct 22.&nbsp; If he can just get onto/stay on 
his feet … &nbsp;he lays on the same side because his balance is off and then 
he can’t get up he can only scoot.&nbsp;
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                                     Love,Janet&nbsp;
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                                       On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:00 AM Laura 
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                                         I have never had a reason to use it on 
a rabbit........I just know it worked wonders on every other animal I have used 
it on. But like anything else, no matter what you put on your animal, it's 
important that they don't ingest it. Even SSD cream can cause problems if 
ingested, and at the very least, if the animal is licking medicine off, it's 
not going to do them any good. Someone on here mentioned using human baby 
onesies....I have had really great success using those on some animals as well, 
to keep them from licking or scratching at certain areas of their bodies. 
Although I have had several rabbits in my lifetime, they are by no means my 
area of expertise when it comes to medical issues so I will defer to others who 
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                                         Now, when it comes to diet ideas and 
enrichment, I am all over that subject!&nbsp; 😉
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target="_blank" href="mailto:naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" ;
rel="noopener">naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a> &lt;<a 
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rel="noopener">naturalrabbit-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>&gt; on behalf of Evonne 
Vey &lt;<a style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;" target="_blank" 
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style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Sent:</strong> Thursday, December 2, 
2021 8:35 PM<br><strong style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">To:</strong> 
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rel="noopener">naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</a> &lt;<a style="font-family: 
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style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Subject:</strong> [naturalrabbit] Re: 
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                                           I swear by zinc oxide for urine 
scald...I&nbsp; had before and after pictures of a bunny with urine scald and 
then being treated with zinc -it was amazing -but I've lost the pictures now.
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                                               I think there are other 
ointments better than this to soothe urine scale, just my opinion though, 
&nbsp;why echincea?&nbsp; Maybe ok for infection…I’ve never had experience with 
this and wonder why because it’s not something I’d use. The calendula is much 
more healing, it’s something even my mom used and it’s amazing, &nbsp;this is 
interesting. It talks about different causes of urine scald or burn
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                                                   This is what the holistic 
vet gave me for another rabbits sore hocks. Would this work to soothe the urine 
scald? I think I have to heal it first and then switch to a barrier 
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and I don’t see any pus anymore.&nbsp; So maybe what she advises will 
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She states that these sores are due to urine scald from Frodo laying in the 
same spot for a period of time. Her instructions are as follows: keep him clean 
and dry and you can alternate with the SSD ointment one day and then corn 
starch the next. She wanted to stress NOT combining both the SSD and corn 
starch together as that will make a paste and make things worse. She did state 
that if the sores do not improve with time we may need to discuss quality of 
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end to groom, so there was no worry about ingesting.&nbsp; Evonne had good 
results with it, too.&nbsp; I wouldn't want Frodo to be hurt by the Desitin or 
for Balin to ingest it if he grooms Frodo.&nbsp; It worked well for Riley when 
he would develop skin irritation, and I knew he couldn't ingest it.&nbsp; I 
used it on and off for a few years.&nbsp; He lived to be almost 11.&nbsp; 
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                                                          On 12/02/2021 1:09 PM 
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                                                          I have never used 
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be in a category all of their own for sure).....but it worked very well on my 
possum. Roberta, did you see any ill effects at all from using it on your 
bunny? ). Unsure if either of these products would be an issue just applying it 
to the skin or if its more problematic if licked off. Of course, Desitin would 
not be good if the animal licked it either. Both contain petroleum. Regardless, 
he needs something that forms a true barrier and SSD cream alone will not 
provide that. Whatever is used, just make sure Frodo isn't able to lick it.
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dogs; however, in most cases, the dog would have to either eat a large amount 
or eat the ointment on a regular basis to have a toxic reaction. Having said 
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                                                           Brenda, I don’t want 
to disagree with Laura, but as &nbsp;I feel different about ointments, as I 
suggested before, &nbsp;and from my own personal experience with disabled 
rabbits and hares, that that A and D ointment works better than Desitin, A and 
D is much more protective and creamy and soft and more protective in my own 
personal experience with both, also, please don’t use any with zinc, Desitin 
also come with zinc with is toxic to bunnies. Also the A and D comes in 
original strength, i would only get original.&nbsp; Look at the differences 
online…Also, the A and D original has vitamin ANd D in it which is healing, but 
both contain petroleum…also, my good friend who rescues and rehabs bunnies who 
are disabled uses a and d Original. &nbsp;
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                                                           Please look at the 
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&nbsp;here, all have disabled bunnies,&nbsp;
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some desitin today. He got out of his diaper last night and rolled in 
cecotropes. I don’t want to bathe him again today it seems to make the area 
worse and some scabs fell off (I didn’t think they were scabs at the time) and 
now those spots have pus. Maybe I can pour some peroxide on the area or watered 
down betadine to make sure there’s no poop on the bare skin. There is some in 
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                                                               We are all worn 
out. If his appt next week doesn’t show that his ear infection is rapidly 
clearing, she said before it was incueable but then the pus drastically 
improved, &nbsp;I’m going to ask to PTS. He can only lay on one side and crawl 
a bit, but now that side has sores. He can’t walk without a scarf holding him 
up. He’s not eating much. He’s 9 ½&nbsp; 
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sure to get the original formula.&nbsp; There is a newer type that is thinner; 
it doesn't stay on as well.. don't buy that one. It worked well on my children, 
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                                                                   Brenda, oh 
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thru much trial and error when my disabled possum Lucy was alive. She arrived 
here with 9 fractures, severe MBD and all 4 of her legs were permanently 
splayed out to the sides so she never walked.....she'd army crawl to get around 
just fine though. Keeping her rash free was an insanely difficult task, 
especially since female possums have pouches and when she'd pee at night and 
lay in it, it would irritate her undersides and her pouch something terrible. I 
tired SO many different things, including the cream you are using on your 
little guy to no avail.</span>
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                                                                   One day a 
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help. I bought some Desitin and OMG, not only did it tamp down the irritation, 
it protected her like nothing else from it developing out of control again. She 
could not really reach to groom herself so I didn't have to worry about her 
licking at it. In addition to that, I used Micro Tek shampoo on her.....that 
stuff is amazing, it helps kill bacteria and fungus/yeast, which is almost 
always a component you are dealing with in cases like your little boy. You can 
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bacterial and yeast infections due to those areas of their bodies being 
constantly moist. I would advise that you wash that area with that shampoo I 
mentioned, it has to sit for a few minutes on him. Make sure to rinse him well 
in tepid water....if the water is too warm it will sting that irritated skin 
even more. Now here comes the challenging part with a bunny.....you must dry 
that area completely, using a low heat because again, heat will only cause more 
irritation. I know that's time consuming and no easy task, especially with a 
bunny but do the best you can.&nbsp;
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done, slather him in Desiten. It's messy I know, but it will form a protective 
barrier on his skin. I am not 100% sure if it's advisable to use both creams, I 
personally would put on a layer of the SSD cream and then add the Desiten....I 
did that with Lucy and it didn't cause any adverse skin reactions.
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him comfortable, that's important. I cannot imagine how much that must hurt if 
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Bennett &lt;<a target="_blank" style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;" 
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style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Sent:</strong> Wednesday, December 1, 
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style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Subject:</strong> [naturalrabbit] Re: 
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pics of the sores and him in his diaper. With and without flash. Not a great 
closeup. Its a little better than it was right after the butt bath. It’s his 
upper thigh/butt where he lays all the time. He only lays on one side. I Hope 
the diaper keeps him dry tonight&nbsp; because I put the silver sulfa….. 
antibiotic cream on his sores and it needs to stay on and not rubbed off and 
not peed on. He’s still a wee bit damp from his butt bath but I have to go to 
bed. I patted with paper towels, towels, sham wows, more paper towels, hair 
dryer on low for like 20 minutes. OMG it’s like it’s against the laws of nature 
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clear="none">&nbsp;I can’t believe he got these scabs, it must be from having 
bare skin rubbing on blankets and carpet and getting wet with pee. I thought 
fur was falling out because I had to keep wiping/brushing out some mushy poops. 
But then it kept falling out&nbsp; I was using cornstarch to try and keep him 
dry/dry him up when he peed, but it didn’t work. I put him on several layers of 
bedding to keep him dry, it wasnt working a few days ago but I think I got it 
figured out now so he can stay dry. But then he pees onto himself sometimes so 
he gets wet again and the cornstarch didn’t prevent the sores. Maybe they are 
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ear infections can be cured, then maybe he can get better. He’s struggling with 
the dizziness and lack of mobility. He became mobile again a couple weeks ago, 
but has backslid.&nbsp; the dizziness and neurological issues cause one of his 
back legs to be weak and for him to walk in circles until he falls over and 
can’t get back up. 
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