I only expressed my hares when they were incontinent or had injured legs
and one rabbit who couldn’t pee and also disabled, paralyzed. It’s not hard
to do,lots of videos online, yes, he needs to be expressed, jmo. How weird
you can’t see the vet? This would help him pee without peeing on himself.
Also, I sent you a video on expressing rabbits by Amy Spitzman (sp?)who is
hrs educator, did you see it?
Micah and also Zacky peed on himself because of sludge but the vet bedding
worked I only had to use the veterinus while the area was healing. I have
used both vetrinus and A and D…I’ve used so many different things. The
veterinus also protects but I am not sure since you say Frodo is lying on
the side with the pee. Are you expressing? When I cleaned Zacky and he
started healing I sometimes had to continue giving him a little butt both,
but also dried him and and there were times I used burts bees powder
(always talc free) and it kept the area nice and dry even if he dribbled a
bit, you might need to use the butt paste if he is on the area constantly.
I wish I could see him here, it’s difficult for me me to say as the good
vet bedding I told you about worked wonders for Micah and Zacky too. Micah
was on it all the time…Zacky only when he dribbled…
Simply put, my friend who rescues disabled rabbits said butt paste after
it’s healed to keep it dry….or the low zinc Desitin whichever you
prefer…..why not try the veterinus gel to see if it will protect, I also
liked the spray….
Here is a good link about disabled rabbit
https://rabbit.org/journal/3-2/disabled.html
Love, Janet
Here is the video again that shows how to express a rabbits bladder. It’s
not hard, but be very gentle and every time I’ve done it the pee just comes
out easily,
https://youtu.be/9_9PtTP3PPY
On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:38 PM Brenda B <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
So starting with a shaved/trimmed bunny with healthy skin, what is the
plan?
1). Do you guys express the bladder on disabled rabbits/? A local rabbit
rescue said she’d show me how to do it properly this week. She’s worked
with thousands of rabbits over many years. My vet won’t show me, for one
thing people aren’t allowed in the building, and she prefers holding the
rabbit on his back and raising in the air and bringing down fast to startle
them so they pee. Frodo is dizzy often and I don’t think he’d like a free
fall carnival ride. Plus she never showed me how to do it, it sounds crazy.
2)Vet bed or similar bedding. I think I’ve got that covered now. Using the
materials that a local rabbit rescue uses for disabled rabbits. Balin
tested it out by peeing all over it like a little snot, so I know it works.
3) barrier cream every day as a preventative?
Janet did you say the Vetrinus helped with that? Other choice is Butt
paste or the low zine Desitin (which is lower than the butt paste)
4) non-talc powder. When do you use that?
5) clean with warm wet cotton balls only if he gets damp/wet from urine
(or poop). Or butt bath if really wet. Then the Vetrinus/ Calendula gel
or butt paste or Desitin if irritated skin.
You guys are saints for putting up with my barrages of questions, which
are often repetitive as I try to grapple with all that’s going on.
Luv,
Brenda
On Dec 20, 2021, at 10:51 PM, Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I so happy he us better now Brenda. Like my friend said, I would keep
putting the butt paste on since it’s healed, but would also keep his fur
trimmed and have good vet bedding. I love the vetrinus gel, but you’d have
fo try and see his but worked. My Micah was fine with it and it did help.
I also used burts bees baby powder which is talc free after he was dry,
I am so happy he’s ok.
Love, Janet
On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:56 AM Brenda Bennett <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So now that he’s healed up 98%, how do I prevent scald??! the fur is
really growing in now and it’s super velvety and feels so good to touch.
Can I put a&d or butt paste or desitin on top of the fur is it’s kept short
? Desitin and Burt paste get stuck in the longer fur. The vetrinus gel with
calendula works great to heal and doesnt matt up the fur but don’t know how
much moisture barrier it is.
ingredients: Water, Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Sorbus (Pyrus Sorbus)
Extr., Glycerin, Hydrocotyle (Centella Asiatica) Extr., Calendula
Officinalis Extr., Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Sodium Bicarbonate, Carbomer
(*) , Sweet Marjoram (Origanum Majorana) Extr., Lavender (Lavandula
Angustifolia) Extr., Thyme (Thymus Vulgaris) Extr., Sage (Salvia
Officinalis) Extr.
Last night I found that he peed in his new diaper and part of his fur was
damp on his leg and tail. Not down to the skin though. The leg of the
diaper was wet. I got toilet paper and fluffed the fur and didn’t really
get any wetness on the toilet paper. Sooo i guess that’s good. This is
frustrating because i put him in his litter box to pee before bed and get
up 4 hours later to do the same and again a few hours later when I get up.
And he didn’t get Subcutaneous fluids yesterday either.
I just bought the original diapers I used, Huggies “instant dry.” That
has more layers and absorbable crystals. So hopefully that keeps him drier.
I need to go away Friday for about 10 hours and not sure I can or should
bring him with me. He might get too dizzy in the car 2.5 hours each way.
Plus they have an old dog but i could put him in his playpen up in a
bedroom with door shut. I’d probably have to bring his bonded mate too. Ugh
If I leave him home I don’t know if I should diaper him or not. I don’t
know if he pees without a diaper will it get stuck in the loose skin near
his butt and cause scald. Maybe the better layer of towels and bath mats
and sheepskin I got will help and he does scoot around a little, a foot or
two in each direction. A rabbit rescue lady told me to get the massage
table 1” sheepskin mat that she used. I got it the other day. So that and
putting some kind of barrier cream on him might work.
-Brenda
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On Dec 13, 2021, at 3:34 AM, Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
She also said the red is scalding on frodo ans it will take about 4 or 5
days to work.
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:32 AM Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Brenda, regarding the butt paste, my friend said it’s not gonna work
overnight. But it has worked for her many times,
Love, Janet
On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 3:35 PM Brenda Bennett <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ok I’ll get one but how do I put it on???
-Brenda
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On Dec 11, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Laura Mowrey <sshalimar16@xxxxxxx> wrote:
The kind you put on human babies.....the sleeves were short.
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*Subject:* [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Laura,
What kind of onesie did you get? With sleeves? I’m going to target to
try to find a different diaper and a shaver but I don’t know if I can shave
him, Ill have to beg the vet to have a good tech do it.
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 3, 2021, at 1:10 PM, Brenda Bennett <bennettbs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I’m worried that if I use a shirt or onesies that it will get wet and
cause more trouble. The only advice I got from my vet was to use SSD
ointment twice in one day, then switch to cornstarch the next day, and so
on, and to get it under control soon or PTS (because his quality of life
stinks right now —dizzy, ear infection, needs fit motility drugs, now urine
scald).
It seems like his rear legs are getting a lot stronger. His back left
leg has been very weak or numb or both since his ear infection and
dizziness started Oct 22. If he can just get onto/stay on his feet … he
lays on the same side because his balance is off and then he can’t get up
he can only scoot.
-Brenda
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On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Laura, what is Onsies?
Love,Janet
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:00 AM Laura Mowrey <sshalimar16@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
I have never had a reason to use it on a rabbit........I just know it
worked wonders on every other animal I have used it on. But like anything
else, no matter what you put on your animal, it's important that they don't
ingest it. Even SSD cream can cause problems if ingested, and at the very
least, if the animal is licking medicine off, it's not going to do them any
good. Someone on here mentioned using human baby onesies....I have had
really great success using those on some animals as well, to keep them from
licking or scratching at certain areas of their bodies. Although I have had
several rabbits in my lifetime, they are by no means my area of expertise
when it comes to medical issues so I will defer to others who have more
knowledge than I do.
Now, when it comes to diet ideas and enrichment, I am all over that
subject! 😉
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*To:* naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
I swear by zinc oxide for urine scald...I had before and after
pictures of a bunny with urine scald and then being treated with zinc -it
was amazing -but I've lost the pictures now.
Evonne
On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 10:49:50 PM EST, Janet G <
wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think there are other ointments better than this to soothe urine
scale, just my opinion though, why echincea? Maybe ok for infection…I’ve
never had experience with this and wonder why because it’s not something
I’d use. The calendula is much more healing, it’s something even my mom
used and it’s amazing, this is interesting. It talks about different
causes of urine scald or burn
https://petcareadvisors.com/rabbits/urine-scald-in-rabbits-causes-and-treatments/
Love, Janet
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 1:21 PM Brenda Bennett <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This is what the holistic vet gave me for another rabbits sore hocks.
Would this work to soothe the urine scald? I think I have to heal it first
and then switch to a barrier ointment
https://www.buckmountainbotanicals.net/treatments/woundbalm.html
-Brenda
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On Dec 2, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Brenda Bennett <bennettbs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I left a message for the vet about Frodo and desitin or what to do.
Here is the reply
I checked him just now and I don’t see any pus anymore. So maybe what
she advises will work.
-Brenda
“
Dr. Lucas took a look at the photos you had sent. She states that these
sores are due to urine scald from Frodo laying in the same spot for a
period of time. Her instructions are as follows: keep him clean and dry and
you can alternate with the SSD ointment one day and then corn starch the
next. She wanted to stress NOT combining both the SSD and corn starch
together as that will make a paste and make things worse. She did state
that if the sores do not improve with time we may need to discuss quality
of life”
-Brenda
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On Dec 2, 2021, at 3:38 PM, Roberta Kessler <rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Riley could not reach his hind end to groom, so there was no worry
about ingesting. Evonne had good results with it, too. I wouldn't want
Frodo to be hurt by the Desitin or for Balin to ingest it if he grooms
Frodo. It worked well for Riley when he would develop skin irritation, and
I knew he couldn't ingest it. I used it on and off for a few years. He
lived to be almost 11. Please don't follow my recommendation.
Love,
Roberta
On 12/02/2021 1:09 PM Laura Mowrey <sshalimar16@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I have never used Desitin on a rabbit, (I am far from an expert on this
species and they seem to be in a category all of their own for
sure).....but it worked very well on my possum. Roberta, did you see any
ill effects at all from using it on your bunny? ). Unsure if either of
these products would be an issue just applying it to the skin or if its
more problematic if licked off. Of course, Desitin would not be good if the
animal licked it either. Both contain petroleum. Regardless, he needs
something that forms a true barrier and SSD cream alone will not provide
that. Whatever is used, just make sure Frodo isn't able to lick it.
Both Desitin and A&D contain some questionable ingredients, but I think
the main concern is if its ingested.
A&D ointment is a medicine that is rated safe for both humans and pets.
The main issue is that *the ointment can be poisonous for dogs if they
ingest it and reach the intestines*. ... You should know that A&D
ointment has zinc oxide as one of the healing agents for rashes and wounds.
***If concerned about zinc, make sure you buy regular A&D, not A+D
*Zinc* Oxide Cream.
Desitin can also be toxic to dogs; however, in most cases, the dog
would have to either eat a large amount or eat the ointment on a regular
basis to have a toxic reaction. Having said that, it’s still possible a dog
could experience some digestive tract issues from eating Desitin.
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*To:* naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Brenda, I don’t want to disagree with Laura, but as I feel different
about ointments, as I suggested before, and from my own personal
experience with disabled rabbits and hares, that that A and D ointment
works better than Desitin, A and D is much more protective and creamy and
soft and more protective in my own personal experience with both, also,
please don’t use any with zinc, Desitin also come with zinc with is toxic
to bunnies. Also the A and D comes in original strength, i would only get
original. Look at the differences online…Also, the A and D original has
vitamin ANd D in it which is healing, but both contain petroleum…also, my
good friend who rescues and rehabs bunnies who are disabled uses a and d
Original.
Please look at the online forum for disabled rabbits about the A and D
original ointment here, all have disabled bunnies,
http://www.disabledrabbits.com/urine-scald.html
Love, Janet
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 8:01 AM Brenda Bennett <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I’ll try to get some desitin today. He got out of his diaper last night
and rolled in cecotropes. I don’t want to bathe him again today it seems to
make the area worse and some scabs fell off (I didn’t think they were scabs
at the time) and now those spots have pus. Maybe I can pour some peroxide
on the area or watered down betadine to make sure there’s no poop on the
bare skin. There is some in the fur I’ll try to comb it out
We are all worn out. If his appt next week doesn’t show that his ear
infection is rapidly clearing, she said before it was incueable but then
the pus drastically improved, I’m going to ask to PTS. He can only lay on
one side and crawl a bit, but now that side has sores. He can’t walk
without a scarf holding him up. He’s not eating much. He’s 9 ½
-Brenda
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On Dec 2, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Roberta Kessler <rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I completely agree with you about the Desitin, Laura. If you decide to
try the Desitin, Brenda....be sure to get the original formula. There is a
newer type that is thinner; it doesn't stay on as well.. don't buy that
one. It worked well on my children, and worked wonderfully on Riley, and
stays on even when wet. It forms a very good, moisture resistant barrier.
Love,
Roberta
On 12/02/2021 9:11 AM Laura Mowrey <sshalimar16@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Brenda, oh that poor little guy. 🙁 I want to pass on a little trick
I learned thru much trial and error when my disabled possum Lucy was alive.
She arrived here with 9 fractures, severe MBD and all 4 of her legs were
permanently splayed out to the sides so she never walked.....she'd army
crawl to get around just fine though. Keeping her rash free was an insanely
difficult task, especially since female possums have pouches and when she'd
pee at night and lay in it, it would irritate her undersides and her pouch
something terrible. I tired SO many different things, including the cream
you are using on your little guy to no avail.
One day a lightbulb went off in my head and I thought huh, I wonder if
diaper cream would help. I bought some Desitin and OMG, not only did it
tamp down the irritation, it protected her like nothing else from it
developing out of control again. She could not really reach to groom
herself so I didn't have to worry about her licking at it. In addition to
that, I used Micro Tek shampoo on her.....that stuff is amazing, it helps
kill bacteria and fungus/yeast, which is almost always a component you are
dealing with in cases like your little boy. You can find it online and many
Feed stores also carry it.
You are probably already aware that animals like your boy and my Lucy
are very prone to bacterial and yeast infections due to those areas of
their bodies being constantly moist. I would advise that you wash that area
with that shampoo I mentioned, it has to sit for a few minutes on him. Make
sure to rinse him well in tepid water....if the water is too warm it will
sting that irritated skin even more. Now here comes the challenging part
with a bunny.....you must dry that area completely, using a low heat
because again, heat will only cause more irritation. I know that's time
consuming and no easy task, especially with a bunny but do the best you
can.
Once you are done, slather him in Desiten. It's messy I know, but it
will form a protective barrier on his skin. I am not 100% sure if it's
advisable to use both creams, I personally would put on a layer of the SSD
cream and then add the Desiten....I did that with Lucy and it didn't cause
any adverse skin reactions.
It sounds like this is going to be an on-going issue with your boy so
if this helps keep him comfortable, that's important. I cannot imagine how
much that must hurt if he gets urine on that area. 🙁
If he is not already on a good probiotic for bunnies, get that
too......
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*Subject:* [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Here’s pics of the sores and him in his diaper. With and without flash.
Not a great closeup. Its a little better than it was right after the butt
bath. It’s his upper thigh/butt where he lays all the time. He only lays on
one side. I Hope the diaper keeps him dry tonight because I put the silver
sulfa….. antibiotic cream on his sores and it needs to stay on and not
rubbed off and not peed on. He’s still a wee bit damp from his butt bath
but I have to go to bed. I patted with paper towels, towels, sham wows,
more paper towels, hair dryer on low for like 20 minutes. OMG it’s like
it’s against the laws of nature for the fur to be completely dry.
I can’t believe he got these scabs, it must be from having bare skin
rubbing on blankets and carpet and getting wet with pee. I thought fur was
falling out because I had to keep wiping/brushing out some mushy poops. But
then it kept falling out I was using cornstarch to try and keep him
dry/dry him up when he peed, but it didn’t work. I put him on several
layers of bedding to keep him dry, it wasnt working a few days ago but I
think I got it figured out now so he can stay dry. But then he pees onto
himself sometimes so he gets wet again and the cornstarch didn’t prevent
the sores. Maybe they are bed sores or rug burn and urine scald?
Don’t tell him I took a pic of him in his diaper, he finds it very
undignified.
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Thanks for advice and support and prayers. We’re still hoping the ear
infections can be cured, then maybe he can get better. He’s struggling with
the dizziness and lack of mobility. He became mobile again a couple weeks
ago, but has backslid. the dizziness and neurological issues cause one of
his back legs to be weak and for him to walk in circles until he falls over
and can’t get back up.
— Brenda
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Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
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Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
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Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
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Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
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Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
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Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
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