So starting with a shaved/trimmed bunny with healthy skin, what is the plan?
1). Do you guys express the bladder on disabled rabbits/? A local rabbit
rescue said she’d show me how to do it properly this week. She’s worked with
thousands of rabbits over many years. My vet won’t show me, for one thing
people aren’t allowed in the building, and she prefers holding the rabbit on
his back and raising in the air and bringing down fast to startle them so they
pee. Frodo is dizzy often and I don’t think he’d like a free fall carnival
ride. Plus she never showed me how to do it, it sounds crazy.
2)Vet bed or similar bedding. I think I’ve got that covered now. Using the
materials that a local rabbit rescue uses for disabled rabbits. Balin tested
it out by peeing all over it like a little snot, so I know it works.
3) barrier cream every day as a preventative?
Janet did you say the Vetrinus helped with that? Other choice is Butt paste or
the low zine Desitin (which is lower than the butt paste)
4) non-talc powder. When do you use that?
5) clean with warm wet cotton balls only if he gets damp/wet from urine (or
poop). Or butt bath if really wet. Then the Vetrinus/ Calendula gel or butt
paste or Desitin if irritated skin.
You guys are saints for putting up with my barrages of questions, which are
often repetitive as I try to grapple with all that’s going on.
Luv,
Brenda
On Dec 20, 2021, at 10:51 PM, Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I so happy he us better now Brenda. Like my friend said, I would keep putting
the butt paste on since it’s healed, but would also keep his fur trimmed and
have good vet bedding. I love the vetrinus gel, but you’d have fo try and see
his but worked. My Micah was fine with it and it did help. I also used burts
bees baby powder which is talc free after he was dry,
I am so happy he’s ok.
Love, Janet
On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:56 AM Brenda Bennett <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
So now that he’s healed up 98%, how do I prevent scald??! the fur is really
growing in now and it’s super velvety and feels so good to touch. Can I put
a&d or butt paste or desitin on top of the fur is it’s kept short ? Desitin
and Burt paste get stuck in the longer fur. The vetrinus gel with calendula
works great to heal and doesnt matt up the fur but don’t know how much
moisture barrier it is.
ingredients: Water, Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Sorbus (Pyrus Sorbus) Extr.,
Glycerin, Hydrocotyle (Centella Asiatica) Extr., Calendula Officinalis Extr.,
Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Sodium Bicarbonate, Carbomer (*) , Sweet Marjoram
(Origanum Majorana) Extr., Lavender (Lavandula Angustifolia) Extr., Thyme
(Thymus Vulgaris) Extr., Sage (Salvia Officinalis) Extr.
Last night I found that he peed in his new diaper and part of his fur was
damp on his leg and tail. Not down to the skin though. The leg of the diaper
was wet. I got toilet paper and fluffed the fur and didn’t really get any
wetness on the toilet paper. Sooo i guess that’s good. This is frustrating
because i put him in his litter box to pee before bed and get up 4 hours
later to do the same and again a few hours later when I get up. And he didn’t
get Subcutaneous fluids yesterday either.
I just bought the original diapers I used, Huggies “instant dry.” That has
more layers and absorbable crystals. So hopefully that keeps him drier.
I need to go away Friday for about 10 hours and not sure I can or should
bring him with me. He might get too dizzy in the car 2.5 hours each way. Plus
they have an old dog but i could put him in his playpen up in a bedroom with
door shut. I’d probably have to bring his bonded mate too. Ugh
If I leave him home I don’t know if I should diaper him or not. I don’t know
if he pees without a diaper will it get stuck in the loose skin near his butt
and cause scald. Maybe the better layer of towels and bath mats and
sheepskin I got will help and he does scoot around a little, a foot or two in
each direction. A rabbit rescue lady told me to get the massage table 1”
sheepskin mat that she used. I got it the other day. So that and putting
some kind of barrier cream on him might work.
-Brenda
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On Dec 13, 2021, at 3:34 AM, Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
She also said the red is scalding on frodo ans it will take about 4 or 5
days to work.
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:32 AM Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Brenda, regarding the butt paste, my friend said it’s not gonna work
overnight. But it has worked for her many times,
Love, Janet
On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 3:35 PM Brenda Bennett <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Ok I’ll get one but how do I put it on???
-Brenda
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On Dec 11, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Laura Mowrey <sshalimar16@xxxxxxx
<mailto:sshalimar16@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
The kind you put on human babies.....the sleeves were short.
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Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Laura,
What kind of onesie did you get? With sleeves? I’m going to target to try
to find a different diaper and a shaver but I don’t know if I can shave
him, Ill have to beg the vet to have a good tech do it.
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On Dec 3, 2021, at 1:10 PM, Brenda Bennett <bennettbs@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:bennettbs@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I’m worried that if I use a shirt or onesies that it will get wet and
cause more trouble. The only advice I got from my vet was to use SSD
ointment twice in one day, then switch to cornstarch the next day, and so
on, and to get it under control soon or PTS (because his quality of life
stinks right now —dizzy, ear infection, needs fit motility drugs, now
urine scald).
It seems like his rear legs are getting a lot stronger. His back left leg
has been very weak or numb or both since his ear infection and dizziness
started Oct 22. If he can just get onto/stay on his feet … he lays on
the same side because his balance is off and then he can’t get up he can
only scoot.
-Brenda
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On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Janet G <wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Laura, what is Onsies?
Love,Janet
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:00 AM Laura Mowrey <sshalimar16@xxxxxxx
<mailto:sshalimar16@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
I have never had a reason to use it on a rabbit........I just know it
worked wonders on every other animal I have used it on. But like anything
else, no matter what you put on your animal, it's important that they
don't ingest it. Even SSD cream can cause problems if ingested, and at
the very least, if the animal is licking medicine off, it's not going to
do them any good. Someone on here mentioned using human baby onesies....I
have had really great success using those on some animals as well, to
keep them from licking or scratching at certain areas of their bodies.
Although I have had several rabbits in my lifetime, they are by no means
my area of expertise when it comes to medical issues so I will defer to
others who have more knowledge than I do.
Now, when it comes to diet ideas and enrichment, I am all over that
subject! 😉
Blessings,
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Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
I swear by zinc oxide for urine scald...I had before and after pictures
of a bunny with urine scald and then being treated with zinc -it was
amazing -but I've lost the pictures now.
Evonne
On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 10:49:50 PM EST, Janet G
<wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:wildharerescue@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I think there are other ointments better than this to soothe urine scale,
just my opinion though, why echincea? Maybe ok for infection…I’ve never
had experience with this and wonder why because it’s not something I’d
use. The calendula is much more healing, it’s something even my mom used
and it’s amazing, this is interesting. It talks about different causes
of urine scald or burn
https://petcareadvisors.com/rabbits/urine-scald-in-rabbits-causes-and-treatments/
<https://petcareadvisors.com/rabbits/urine-scald-in-rabbits-causes-and-treatments/>
Love, Janet
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 1:21 PM Brenda Bennett
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
This is what the holistic vet gave me for another rabbits sore hocks.
Would this work to soothe the urine scald? I think I have to heal it
first and then switch to a barrier ointment
https://www.buckmountainbotanicals.net/treatments/woundbalm.html ;
<https://www.buckmountainbotanicals.net/treatments/woundbalm.html>
-Brenda
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On Dec 2, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Brenda Bennett <bennettbs@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:bennettbs@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I left a message for the vet about Frodo and desitin or what to do. Here
is the reply
I checked him just now and I don’t see any pus anymore. So maybe what
she advises will work.
-Brenda
“
Dr. Lucas took a look at the photos you had sent. She states that these
sores are due to urine scald from Frodo laying in the same spot for a
period of time. Her instructions are as follows: keep him clean and dry
and you can alternate with the SSD ointment one day and then corn starch
the next. She wanted to stress NOT combining both the SSD and corn
starch together as that will make a paste and make things worse. She did
state that if the sores do not improve with time we may need to discuss
quality of life”
-Brenda
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On Dec 2, 2021, at 3:38 PM, Roberta Kessler <rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Riley could not reach his hind end to groom, so there was no worry
about ingesting. Evonne had good results with it, too. I wouldn't
want Frodo to be hurt by the Desitin or for Balin to ingest it if he
grooms Frodo. It worked well for Riley when he would develop skin
irritation, and I knew he couldn't ingest it. I used it on and off for
a few years. He lived to be almost 11. Please don't follow my
recommendation.
Love,
Roberta
On 12/02/2021 1:09 PM Laura Mowrey <sshalimar16@xxxxxxx
<mailto:sshalimar16@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
I have never used Desitin on a rabbit, (I am far from an expert on
this species and they seem to be in a category all of their own for
sure).....but it worked very well on my possum. Roberta, did you see
any ill effects at all from using it on your bunny? ). Unsure if
either of these products would be an issue just applying it to the
skin or if its more problematic if licked off. Of course, Desitin
would not be good if the animal licked it either. Both contain
petroleum. Regardless, he needs something that forms a true barrier
and SSD cream alone will not provide that. Whatever is used, just make
sure Frodo isn't able to lick it.
Both Desitin and A&D contain some questionable ingredients, but I
think the main concern is if its ingested.
A&D ointment is a medicine that is rated safe for both humans and
pets. The main issue is that the ointment can be poisonous for dogs if
they ingest it and reach the intestines. ... You should know that A&D
ointment has zinc oxide as one of the healing agents for rashes and
wounds.
***If concerned about zinc, make sure you buy regular A&D, not A+D
Zinc Oxide Cream.
Desitin can also be toxic to dogs; however, in most cases, the dog
would have to either eat a large amount or eat the ointment on a
regular basis to have a toxic reaction. Having said that, it’s still
possible a dog could experience some digestive tract issues from
eating Desitin.
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Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Brenda, I don’t want to disagree with Laura, but as I feel different
about ointments, as I suggested before, and from my own personal
experience with disabled rabbits and hares, that that A and D ointment
works better than Desitin, A and D is much more protective and creamy
and soft and more protective in my own personal experience with both,
also, please don’t use any with zinc, Desitin also come with zinc with
is toxic to bunnies. Also the A and D comes in original strength, i
would only get original. Look at the differences online…Also, the A
and D original has vitamin ANd D in it which is healing, but both
contain petroleum…also, my good friend who rescues and rehabs bunnies
who are disabled uses a and d Original.
Please look at the online forum for disabled rabbits about the A and D
original ointment here, all have disabled bunnies,
http://www.disabledrabbits.com/urine-scald.html ;
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Love, Janet
On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 8:01 AM Brenda Bennett
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wrote:
I’ll try to get some desitin today. He got out of his diaper last
night and rolled in cecotropes. I don’t want to bathe him again today
it seems to make the area worse and some scabs fell off (I didn’t
think they were scabs at the time) and now those spots have pus. Maybe
I can pour some peroxide on the area or watered down betadine to make
sure there’s no poop on the bare skin. There is some in the fur I’ll
try to comb it out
We are all worn out. If his appt next week doesn’t show that his ear
infection is rapidly clearing, she said before it was incueable but
then the pus drastically improved, I’m going to ask to PTS. He can
only lay on one side and crawl a bit, but now that side has sores. He
can’t walk without a scarf holding him up. He’s not eating much. He’s
9 ½
-Brenda
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On Dec 2, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Roberta Kessler <rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I completely agree with you about the Desitin, Laura. If you decide
to try the Desitin, Brenda....be sure to get the original formula.
There is a newer type that is thinner; it doesn't stay on as well..
don't buy that one. It worked well on my children, and worked
wonderfully on Riley, and stays on even when wet. It forms a very
good, moisture resistant barrier.
Love,
Roberta
On 12/02/2021 9:11 AM Laura Mowrey <sshalimar16@xxxxxxx
<mailto:sshalimar16@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
Brenda, oh that poor little guy. 🙁 I want to pass on a little
trick I learned thru much trial and error when my disabled possum
Lucy was alive. She arrived here with 9 fractures, severe MBD and
all 4 of her legs were permanently splayed out to the sides so she
never walked.....she'd army crawl to get around just fine though.
Keeping her rash free was an insanely difficult task, especially
since female possums have pouches and when she'd pee at night and
lay in it, it would irritate her undersides and her pouch something
terrible. I tired SO many different things, including the cream you
are using on your little guy to no avail.
One day a lightbulb went off in my head and I thought huh, I wonder
if diaper cream would help. I bought some Desitin and OMG, not only
did it tamp down the irritation, it protected her like nothing else
from it developing out of control again. She could not really reach
to groom herself so I didn't have to worry about her licking at it.
In addition to that, I used Micro Tek shampoo on her.....that stuff
is amazing, it helps kill bacteria and fungus/yeast, which is almost
always a component you are dealing with in cases like your little
boy. You can find it online and many Feed stores also carry it.
You are probably already aware that animals like your boy and my
Lucy are very prone to bacterial and yeast infections due to those
areas of their bodies being constantly moist. I would advise that
you wash that area with that shampoo I mentioned, it has to sit for
a few minutes on him. Make sure to rinse him well in tepid
water....if the water is too warm it will sting that irritated skin
even more. Now here comes the challenging part with a bunny.....you
must dry that area completely, using a low heat because again, heat
will only cause more irritation. I know that's time consuming and no
easy task, especially with a bunny but do the best you can.
Once you are done, slather him in Desiten. It's messy I know, but it
will form a protective barrier on his skin. I am not 100% sure if
it's advisable to use both creams, I personally would put on a layer
of the SSD cream and then add the Desiten....I did that with Lucy
and it didn't cause any adverse skin reactions.
It sounds like this is going to be an on-going issue with your boy
so if this helps keep him comfortable, that's important. I cannot
imagine how much that must hurt if he gets urine on that area. 🙁
If he is not already on a good probiotic for bunnies, get that
too......
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Subject: [naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo
Here’s pics of the sores and him in his diaper. With and without
flash. Not a great closeup. Its a little better than it was right
after the butt bath. It’s his upper thigh/butt where he lays all the
time. He only lays on one side. I Hope the diaper keeps him dry
tonight because I put the silver sulfa….. antibiotic cream on his
sores and it needs to stay on and not rubbed off and not peed on.
He’s still a wee bit damp from his butt bath but I have to go to
bed. I patted with paper towels, towels, sham wows, more paper
towels, hair dryer on low for like 20 minutes. OMG it’s like it’s
against the laws of nature for the fur to be completely dry.
I can’t believe he got these scabs, it must be from having bare
skin rubbing on blankets and carpet and getting wet with pee. I
thought fur was falling out because I had to keep wiping/brushing
out some mushy poops. But then it kept falling out I was using
cornstarch to try and keep him dry/dry him up when he peed, but it
didn’t work. I put him on several layers of bedding to keep him dry,
it wasnt working a few days ago but I think I got it figured out now
so he can stay dry. But then he pees onto himself sometimes so he
gets wet again and the cornstarch didn’t prevent the sores. Maybe
they are bed sores or rug burn and urine scald?
Don’t tell him I took a pic of him in his diaper, he finds it very
undignified.
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Thanks for advice and support and prayers. We’re still hoping the
ear infections can be cured, then maybe he can get better. He’s
struggling with the dizziness and lack of mobility. He became mobile
again a couple weeks ago, but has backslid. the dizziness and
neurological issues cause one of his back legs to be weak and for
him to walk in circles until he falls over and can’t get back up.
— Brenda
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Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
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Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
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Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
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Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
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Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
Janet
"Whoever saves a single life, it is as if he had saved the whole world"
