[naturalrabbit] Re: Frodo

  • From: Roberta Kessler <rlkessler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: naturalrabbit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Brenda B <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 11:27:32 -0600 (CST)

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express Frodo's bladder would be very helpful, Brenda..good thing you have 
someone to teach you.&nbsp; Please let us know what you decide about 
Friday&nbsp;</span>
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    On 12/21/2021 12:38 AM Brenda B &lt;dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt; wrote:
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   </div>So starting with a shaved/trimmed bunny with healthy skin, what is the 
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    1). Do you guys express the bladder on disabled rabbits/? &nbsp;A local 
rabbit rescue said she’d show me how to do it properly this week. She’s worked 
with thousands of rabbits over many years. &nbsp; My vet won’t show me, for one 
thing people aren’t allowed in the building, and she prefers holding the rabbit 
on his back and raising in the air and bringing down fast to startle them so 
they pee. &nbsp;Frodo is dizzy often and I don’t think he’d like a free fall 
carnival ride. &nbsp;Plus she never showed me how to do it, it sounds crazy.
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    2)Vet bed or similar bedding. I think I’ve got that covered now. Using the 
materials that a local rabbit rescue uses for disabled rabbits. &nbsp;Balin 
tested it out by peeing all over it like a little snot, so I know it works.
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    3) barrier cream every day as a preventative?
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    Janet did you say the Vetrinus helped with that? &nbsp;Other choice is Butt 
paste or the low zine Desitin (which is lower than the butt paste)
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    4) non-talc powder. &nbsp;When do you use that?
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    5) clean with warm wet cotton balls only if he gets damp/wet from urine (or 
poop). &nbsp;Or butt bath if really wet. &nbsp;Then the Vetrinus/ Calendula gel 
or butt paste or Desitin if irritated skin.
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    You guys are saints for putting up with my barrages of questions, which are 
often repetitive as I try to grapple with all that’s going on.
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    Luv,
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    Brenda
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        I so happy he us better now Brenda. Like my friend said, I would keep 
putting the butt paste on since it’s healed, but would also keep his fur 
trimmed and have good vet bedding. I love the vetrinus gel, but you’d have fo 
try and see his but worked. My Micah was fine with it and it did help.&nbsp; I 
also used burts bees baby powder which is talc free after he was dry,&nbsp;
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        I am so happy he’s ok.&nbsp;
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        Love, Janet&nbsp;
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            So now that he’s healed up 98%, how do I prevent scald??! the fur 
is really growing in now and it’s super velvety and feels so good to touch. Can 
I put a&amp;d or butt paste or desitin on top of the fur is it’s kept short ? 
Desitin and Burt paste get stuck in the longer fur. The vetrinus gel with 
calendula works great to heal and doesnt matt up the fur but don’t know how 
much moisture barrier it is.&nbsp;
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Sorbus) Extr., Glycerin, Hydrocotyle (Centella Asiatica) Extr., Calendula 
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             Last night I found that he peed in his new diaper and part of his 
fur was damp on his leg and tail. Not down to the skin though. The leg of the 
diaper was wet. I got toilet paper and fluffed the fur and didn’t really get 
any wetness on the toilet paper. Sooo i guess that’s good. This is frustrating 
because i put him in his litter box to pee before bed and get up 4 hours later 
to do the same and again a few hours later when I get up. And he didn’t get 
Subcutaneous fluids yesterday either.&nbsp;
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             I just bought the original diapers I used, Huggies “instant dry.” 
That has more layers and absorbable crystals. So hopefully that keeps him 
drier.&nbsp;
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             I need to go away Friday for about 10 hours and not sure I can or 
should bring him with me. He might get too dizzy in the car 2.5 hours each way. 
Plus they have an old dog but i could put him in his playpen up in a bedroom 
with door shut. I’d probably have to bring his bonded mate too. Ugh &nbsp;
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             If I leave him home I don’t know if I should diaper him or not. I 
don’t know if he pees without a diaper will it get stuck in the loose skin near 
his butt and cause scald. Maybe the better layer of &nbsp;towels and bath mats 
&nbsp;and sheepskin I got will help and he does scoot around a little, a foot 
or two in each direction. A rabbit rescue lady told me to get the massage table 
1” sheepskin mat that she used. I got it the other day.&nbsp; So that and 
putting some kind of barrier cream on him might work.&nbsp;
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                She also said the red is scalding on frodo ans it will take 
about 4 or 5 days to work.&nbsp;
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                  On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 12:32 AM Janet G &lt;<a class="" 
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                   Brenda, regarding the butt paste, my friend said it’s not 
gonna work overnight. But it has worked for her many times,&nbsp;
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                   Love, Janet
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                     On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 3:35 PM Brenda Bennett &lt;<a 
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                      Ok I’ll get one but how do I put it on???&nbsp;
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I’m going to target to try to find a different diaper and a shaver but I don’t 
know if I can shave him, Ill have to beg the vet to have a good tech do 
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                            I’m worried that if I use a shirt or onesies that 
it will get wet and cause more trouble. The only advice I got from my vet was 
to use SSD ointment twice in one day, then switch to cornstarch the next day, 
and so on, and to get it under control soon or PTS (because his quality of life 
stinks right now —dizzy, ear infection, needs fit motility drugs, now urine 
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                             It seems like his rear legs are getting a lot 
stronger. His back left leg has been very weak or numb or both since his ear 
infection and dizziness started Oct 22.&nbsp; If he can just get onto/stay on 
his feet … &nbsp;he lays on the same side because his balance is off and then 
he can’t get up he can only scoot.&nbsp;
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                                   On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:00 AM Laura Mowrey 
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                                     I have never had a reason to use it on a 
rabbit........I just know it worked wonders on every other animal I have used 
it on. But like anything else, no matter what you put on your animal, it's 
important that they don't ingest it. Even SSD cream can cause problems if 
ingested, and at the very least, if the animal is licking medicine off, it's 
not going to do them any good. Someone on here mentioned using human baby 
onesies....I have had really great success using those on some animals as well, 
to keep them from licking or scratching at certain areas of their bodies. 
Although I have had several rabbits in my lifetime, they are by no means my 
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                                     Now, when it comes to diet ideas and 
enrichment, I am all over that subject!&nbsp; 😉
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                                       I swear by zinc oxide for urine 
scald...I&nbsp; had before and after pictures of a bunny with urine scald and 
then being treated with zinc -it was amazing -but I've lost the pictures now.
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better than this to soothe urine scale, just my opinion though, &nbsp;why 
echincea?&nbsp; Maybe ok for infection…I’ve never had experience with this and 
wonder why because it’s not something I’d use. The calendula is much more 
healing, it’s something even my mom used and it’s amazing, &nbsp;this is 
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scald? I think I have to heal it first and then switch to a barrier 
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background-color: #ffffff;">Dr. Lucas took a look at the photos you had sent. 
She states that these sores are due to urine scald from Frodo laying in the 
same spot for a period of time. Her instructions are as follows: keep him clean 
and dry and you can alternate with the SSD ointment one day and then corn 
starch the next. She wanted to stress NOT combining both the SSD and corn 
starch together as that will make a paste and make things worse. She did state 
that if the sores do not improve with time we may need to discuss quality of 
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end to groom, so there was no worry about ingesting.&nbsp; Evonne had good 
results with it, too.&nbsp; I wouldn't want Frodo to be hurt by the Desitin or 
for Balin to ingest it if he grooms Frodo.&nbsp; It worked well for Riley when 
he would develop skin irritation, and I knew he couldn't ingest it.&nbsp; I 
used it on and off for a few years.&nbsp; He lived to be almost 11.&nbsp; 
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                                                      I have never used Desitin 
on a rabbit, (I am far from an expert on this species and they seem to be in a 
category all of their own for sure).....but it worked very well on my possum. 
Roberta, did you see any ill effects at all from using it on your bunny? ). 
Unsure if either of these products would be an issue just applying it to the 
skin or if its more problematic if licked off. Of course, Desitin would not be 
good if the animal licked it either. Both contain petroleum. Regardless, he 
needs something that forms a true barrier and SSD cream alone will not provide 
that. Whatever is used, just make sure Frodo isn't able to lick it.
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is a medicine that is rated safe for both humans and pets. The main issue is 
that&nbsp;</span><strong class="" style="font-family: Roboto,arial,sans-serif; 
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You should know that A&amp;D ointment has zinc oxide as one of the healing 
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toxic to dogs; however, in most cases, the dog would have to either eat a large 
amount or eat the ointment on a regular basis to have a toxic reaction. Having 
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                                                       Brenda, I don’t want to 
disagree with Laura, but as &nbsp;I feel different about ointments, as I 
suggested before, &nbsp;and from my own personal experience with disabled 
rabbits and hares, that that A and D ointment works better than Desitin, A and 
D is much more protective and creamy and soft and more protective in my own 
personal experience with both, also, please don’t use any with zinc, Desitin 
also come with zinc with is toxic to bunnies. Also the A and D comes in 
original strength, i would only get original.&nbsp; Look at the differences 
online…Also, the A and D original has vitamin ANd D in it which is healing, but 
both contain petroleum…also, my good friend who rescues and rehabs bunnies who 
are disabled uses a and d Original. &nbsp;
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desitin today. He got out of his diaper last night and rolled in cecotropes. I 
don’t want to bathe him again today it seems to make the area worse and some 
scabs fell off (I didn’t think they were scabs at the time) and now those spots 
have pus. Maybe I can pour some peroxide on the area or watered down betadine 
to make sure there’s no poop on the bare skin. There is some in the fur I’ll 
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If his appt next week doesn’t show that his ear infection is rapidly clearing, 
she said before it was incueable but then the pus drastically improved, 
&nbsp;I’m going to ask to PTS. He can only lay on one side and crawl a bit, but 
now that side has sores. He can’t walk without a scarf holding him up. He’s not 
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sure to get the original formula.&nbsp; There is a newer type that is thinner; 
it doesn't stay on as well.. don't buy that one. It worked well on my children, 
and worked wonderfully on Riley, and stays on even when wet.&nbsp; It forms a 
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                                                               Brenda, oh that 
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thru much trial and error when my disabled possum Lucy was alive. She arrived 
here with 9 fractures, severe MBD and all 4 of her legs were permanently 
splayed out to the sides so she never walked.....she'd army crawl to get around 
just fine though. Keeping her rash free was an insanely difficult task, 
especially since female possums have pouches and when she'd pee at night and 
lay in it, it would irritate her undersides and her pouch something terrible. I 
tired SO many different things, including the cream you are using on your 
little guy to no avail.</span>
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                                                               One day a 
lightbulb went off in my head and I thought huh, I wonder if diaper cream would 
help. I bought some Desitin and OMG, not only did it tamp down the irritation, 
it protected her like nothing else from it developing out of control again. She 
could not really reach to groom herself so I didn't have to worry about her 
licking at it. In addition to that, I used Micro Tek shampoo on her.....that 
stuff is amazing, it helps kill bacteria and fungus/yeast, which is almost 
always a component you are dealing with in cases like your little boy. You can 
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                                                               You are probably 
already aware that animals like your boy and my Lucy are very prone to 
bacterial and yeast infections due to those areas of their bodies being 
constantly moist. I would advise that you wash that area with that shampoo I 
mentioned, it has to sit for a few minutes on him. Make sure to rinse him well 
in tepid water....if the water is too warm it will sting that irritated skin 
even more. Now here comes the challenging part with a bunny.....you must dry 
that area completely, using a low heat because again, heat will only cause more 
irritation. I know that's time consuming and no easy task, especially with a 
bunny but do the best you can.&nbsp;
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done, slather him in Desiten. It's messy I know, but it will form a protective 
barrier on his skin. I am not 100% sure if it's advisable to use both creams, I 
personally would put on a layer of the SSD cream and then add the Desiten....I 
did that with Lucy and it didn't cause any adverse skin reactions.
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this is going to be an on-going issue with your boy so if this helps keep him 
comfortable, that's important. I cannot imagine how much that must hurt if he 
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the sores and him in his diaper. With and without flash. Not a great closeup. 
Its a little better than it was right after the butt bath. It’s his upper 
thigh/butt where he lays all the time. He only lays on one side. I Hope the 
diaper keeps him dry tonight&nbsp; because I put the silver sulfa….. antibiotic 
cream on his sores and it needs to stay on and not rubbed off and not peed on. 
He’s still a wee bit damp from his butt bath but I have to go to bed. I patted 
with paper towels, towels, sham wows, more paper towels, hair dryer on low for 
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bare skin rubbing on blankets and carpet and getting wet with pee. I thought 
fur was falling out because I had to keep wiping/brushing out some mushy poops. 
But then it kept falling out&nbsp; I was using cornstarch to try and keep him 
dry/dry him up when he peed, but it didn’t work. I put him on several layers of 
bedding to keep him dry, it wasnt working a few days ago but I think I got it 
figured out now so he can stay dry. But then he pees onto himself sometimes so 
he gets wet again and the cornstarch didn’t prevent the sores. Maybe they are 
bed sores or rug burn and urine scald? 
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the dizziness and lack of mobility. He became mobile again a couple weeks ago, 
but has backslid.&nbsp; the dizziness and neurological issues cause one of his 
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