[mso] Re: Word 2002 - Creating A New Template Tab
- From: "Sue" <christrueman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:29:56 -0000
Greg thank you so much for this in depth reply! I have just got a new
computer with XP home and am trying to find my way around it.....hahahaha!I
have been wondering why they had this user profile thing! looks like i will
need to set myself as user! LOL! thank heavens i hadnt installed my Office
yet!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Chapman" <greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:09 AM
Subject: [mso] Re: Word 2002 - Creating A New Template Tab
>
> I'm stepping into this late as there has been just way too much to do
> and not enough hours for it all.
>
> There's another part of this problem that I think people aren't used to
> yet. That's the idea of User Profiles which has been around for a long
> time but anyone who has had Windows 9x as their OS for a long time isn't
> prepared for it. So, at the risk of being OT, it might be good to
> explain how this concept affects Office applications (and many others).
>
> First, User Profiles is just a shorthand way of saying that Windows
> NT/2000/XP are built with the idea that many different people may use a
> single computer. Windows 9x had a crippled version of this idea
> available but the only people I ever saw put up with the frustration of
> 9x's version were IT geeks who had no choice.
>
> In Windows NT, the path to a particular user's profile was in 2 places:
> First, it was found in c:\winnt\profiles\<user log on name>. The second
> place only existed if you were a member of a Windows NT domain and the
> geeks had enabled Roaming Profiles. In that case, the profiles were all
> stored on the Domain Controllers, too. Nope, very few of us have
> anything like this running at home...can't blame them for that, either.
> Bear in mind that Win2000 and newer systems also have similar provisions
> for roaming profiles under the Active Directory scheme as well.
>
> Windows 2000 brought a shift in the paradigm by moving the User Profiles
> from c:\winnt to c:\document and settings. Windows XP carries on the new
> tradition so you should expect to see nearly everything your Office
> installation is concerned with in one of the many folders found under
> c:\documents and settings\<your logon name>.
>
> So what the heck does this have to do with Office? Office apps are user
> specific. Yes, they are. There are only a few settings that are specific
> to the whole computer and, of those, only a couple have anything to do
> with file locations. The first file location setting that comes to mind
> for Word as being user-generic is the Workgroup Templates folder. That
> one is designed for multiple users who must work on documents together
> to be able to always use the same version of the templates they use in
> their work. An update to the template they use, then, only needs to be
> copied out to that location for them all to see it from their computer.
> This is also the cause of a lot of fouled up normal.dot files as many IT
> people thought they could get good control over viruses by setting a
> password protected normal.dot file in that location and then set the
> Default File and Default Template folders to be the same location as the
> Workgroup Templates folder on all their users' systems. Bad idea. It
> created more damaged normal.dot files than the viruses did.
>
> So if Office apps are so darned geared toward the individual, doesn't
> that mean that a machine with 3 different users on it might have 3
> different locations for templates, 3 different copies of normal.dot,
> etc.? Absolutely, it does and that's exactly why your normal.dot is
> broken and crashes Word but your wife seems to be able to run it just
> fine when she logs in!
>
> As you all noted, The Application Data folder is hidden by default and
> you won't be able to search for files there with explorer until you set
> it to let you view hidden files and folders. In addition, the Search
> Tool went completely Tango Uniform starting with Win2000 and the
> improvements to the tool that XP was expected to bring turned into even
> more bugs instead. Don't trust the Windows Search tool! Besides, it uses
> the same settings as Explorer so if you haven't enabled the viewing of
> hidden files/folders, the Search tool won't look in those places either.
> There's a better alternative and it has been around since BillyG first
> convinced IBM to sell a PC with Microsoft operating systems on board.
>
> Simply open a command prompt (CMD.EXE for you Winnt/2000/XP owners). By
> default, you should note that the command prompt has opened to your user
> profile path (c:\documents and settings\<your logon name>. At the
> prompt, type the following and press enter:
> Dir <filename> /s
>
> Where <filename> should be replaced with the name of the file you're
> hunting. The /s option tells the DIR command to also look for the files
> in all subfolders below the folder in which it started looking (your
> User Profile path, in other words).
>
> This method is practically guaranteed to tell you where the file
> is...including normal.dot.
>
> As a quick reference, here are some default locations you should become
> familiar with:
> TEMP file folder - c:\documents and settings\<your logon name>\Local
> Settings\Temp
> IE Favorites -c:\documents and settings\<your logon name>\Local
> Settings\Favorites
> IE Temporary Internet Files -c:\documents and settings\<your logon
> name>\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
> IE History-c:\documents and settings\<your logon name>\Local
> Settings\History
> Word Startup Path-c:\documents and settings\<your logon
> name>\Application Data\Microsoft\Word\Startup
> User Templates -c:\documents and settings\<your logon name>\Application
> Data\Microsoft\Templates
>
> Those are the places I visit most often when I pick up a digital mop and
> go to clean my system. You'll notice that each of those paths has one
> location in common; c:\documents and settings\<your logon name> . So the
> trick is to remember that all these things are treated as user specific,
> even if there's only one user for the computer. That should make a few
> things clearer in general and I hope it was close enough to the proper
> topic as to be useful.
>
> Greg Chapman
> http://www.mousetrax.com
> "Counting in binary is as easy as 01, 10, 11!
> With thinking this clear, is coding really a good idea?"
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dian Chapman
> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:12 AM
> > To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [mso] Re: Word 2002 - Creating A New Template Tab
> >
> >
> >
> > >>The *hitch* is that Application Data is a hidden folder, so
> > in XP you
> > need to show your hidden folders to see it...do this:
> >
> > Thanks...now there's a one for me. The FIRST thing I always
> > do in a new OS is turn on my hidden folder and file
> > extensions. So I never notice which files/folders are hidden.
> > I know I SHOULD pay attention to the fact that they are
> > lighter than the rest...but do I. No.<g>
> >
> >
> > Dian Chapman
> > Technical Consultant, Instructor,
> > Microsoft MVP & TechTrax Editor
> >
> > Word AutoForm/VBA eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html
> > Tutorial web site: http://www.mousetrax.com/techpage.html
> > TechTrax Ezine: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Linda F. Johnson
> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:04 AM
> > To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [mso] Re: Word 2002 - Creating A New Template Tab
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok PJM...here's the deal
> >
> > In XP, the path is:
> >
> > C:\Documents and Settings\<your user name>\Application
> > Data\Microsoft\Templates
> >
> > The *hitch* is that Application Data is a hidden folder, so
> > in XP you need to show your hidden folders to see it...do this:
> >
> > go into My Computer and click on the Tools menu and choose
> > Folder Options. In there, click on the View Tab and put a
> > check where it says "Show hidden files and folders" and
> > UNCHECK "Hide extensions for known file types" and "Hide
> > protected operating system files". Now, when you search for
> > it, you should find it.
> >
> > Linda
> > Publisher ~ ABC ~ All 'Bout Computers
> > Owner ~ Linda's Computer Stop http://personal-computer-tutor.com
> > FREE MS Office eBook Tutorial
> > http://personal-computer-tutor.com/library.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of PMillen@xxxxxxx
> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:59 AM
> > To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [mso] Re: Word 2002 - Creating A New Template Tab
> >
> >
> > Dian,
> >
> > You suggested that I, <<SHOULD be going to c:\windows (or
> > Documents and
> > Settings...depending on the version)...then user name\application
> > data\microsoft\templates.>>
> >
> > I'm using Windows XP. I have c:\Documents and Settings\User
> > Name (mine) and
> >
> > then other folders, none which appear to contain anything
> > about templates.
> >
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > PJM
> >
> >
> >
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