I have the opinion that recently the quality of "hobby" machines is dropping. Most now seem to come from China instead of Taiwan, with seems to repeat the old problem of making something decent. I have a Warco VMC which is from Taiwan, speaks it fluently, which is a marvellous machine sturdy and precise. The more recent 3 in one plate working centre is from China and came, not from Warco but locally, with a manual full of nonsense and is a pile of bits thrown together from a distance and was only usable as a set of castings. Which pile is now converted after a lot of work into a nice working machine. Sadly enough the price, not quality, is here the prime factor for the importer in choosing the land of origin. Regards Wilfried Vermeiren http://users.skynet.be/modelbouw.wilfried MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.