We had a case at the Plymouth track with a runaway. Again we were fortunate that this was an electric loco that derailed at the first curve. After that incident, as Track Marshall I updated the Risk Assessment (sorry for swearing) and we brought into use a new rule that stated that locomotives and driving trucks must be attached by two separate and independent means. (That is they could share the same buffer beam etc, but not the same fixing. The Hunslet I'm building has a centre "pin" type coupling to the driving truck, but also has a chain connection either side. With regard to couplings to passenger trucks in more general terms, I favour the centre pin, with multi-height options for the coupling bar. My stock is made to the 7.25" guidance (and that where the centre position is) but not, but not everybody's is! Cheers Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Sheppard BSc (Hons) CEng FIEE FIRSE FSaRS Principal Consultant Lloyd's Register Rail Limited 5th Floor, 37-39 Corn Street Bristol BS1 1HT T: 0117 929 4443 F: 0117 929 4554 M: 07760 167 617 E: peter.sheppard@xxxxxxxxxx -------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Peter J. Cathcart [SMTP:peter.cathcart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 6:46 PM To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [modeleng] Re: Couplings Alan We use bars, as probably most clubs do. As for pins, we have a set of pins with a spring semi-circle which is quite vicious if you're not careful. It means, however, that once the pin is in it simply can't bounce out. This is critical. All locos are meant to be checked by the loco super for the day to make sure the couplings are totally secure. We have a video taken probably 20 years ago, by pure fluke, of a loco on the track with the loco parting from its driving carriage. We play it occasionally on club nights and it brings tears to the eyes! On the more serious side it made us realise what can happen and that is why we sorted suitable pins. Hilarity is the mother of invention. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "alanjstepney" <alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 6:11 PM Subject: [modeleng] Couplings It seems that theree is no universal, or even generally agreed, standard for the couplings between loco (tender) and driving trolley, and trolley and passenger cars. The most common one that I have seen is the flat bar, with pin dropping in hole in bar and into brackets fixed to each vehicle. However, the size of bar and pin seems to vary. Has anyone any information on couplings? What does your club use? What is used in other countries? alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.alanstepney.info Model Engineering, Steam Engine, and Railway technical pages. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.