I know it's not what you said. lol. I asked a question. I wanted to know if you found reaper reasonably accessible with voiceover. On Jan 16, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > That's not what I said. > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 6:47 PM > To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: sound Re: Glad you ask about other tools. > > Hello, > > So reaper on the Mac is reasonably accessible with voiceover in your opinion? > On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > >> I guess why it seems so terrible for me, Keith, is because I use software >> like this for composition. I've always worked with a sequencer, and so have >> never had to live with the limitations of linear recording. When I start >> writing, I will have a few pieces of the song in my mind, like 2 or 3 8 bar >> progressions or riffs. I throw them in to the project, and start writing >> around them. Maybe I later decide that the second progression should be the >> a section, and not the b. Maybe I decide that another groove/feel would >> work, and so I want to keep most everything, including my drum track, but I >> want to tweak it or overdub in to it. Particularly if the drums are >> electronic, I want to just write 4 or 8 bars, paste that out for the entire >> song, and then punch or edit in to do fills and other flourishes. The song >> is a living process that I tweak to taste as I write. This editing >> capability is why people use DAWs in the first place. If not, people would >> be using DAT machines or other linear digital recording. I'm glad that GB >> does what you need. I just wish that we could have enough access in it, >> Logic, or another DAW so that we could have a real honest sequencer for the >> Mac to use for writing music. >> >> I have had some good initial experiences with Reaper. It works very well >> with VoiceOver. Nearly the entire program is accessible, except for the main >> track window. However, on Windows, Reaper was made to work very well with >> Jaws through Reaper's extensive macro and scripting capabilities. I hope >> that I'll be able to make something similar happen on the Mac. >> >> Unfortunately, I think that Reaper only works with VST instruments. You >> can't use the EXS24 instruments from Garage Band or Logic through VST. There >> was once a VST version of EXS24 that could play the instruments, but just >> not edit them. It was called EXSP24, and was supposedly part of Logic 7, but >> Apple has discontinued it. Apparently you can only use those instruments >> from inside Garage Band or Logic now. >> >> It disappoints me that the Mac's music world is so walled off. On the PC, if >> your DAW can use VST and DXI instruments, you can use pretty much any synth >> out there. But Pro Tools has RTAS,which no one besides Pro Tools can use, >> and Apple locks up its synths so that they can only be used inside of their >> DAWs. This certainly cuts back on choices. >> >> Bryan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Keith Reedy >> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:58 AM >> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [macvoiceover] sound Re: Glad you ask about other tools. >> >> Bryan, Ricardo and others, >> >> I too have used GarageBand for a long time and I move loops around on a >> regular bases. When drag and drop was working well, back in the early days >> of Leopard, you could drop a loop in a project and it would open a new track >> with the new loop inside at the point in the recording where you had stopped >> it and that is what I wanted to re establish. >> >> In spite of the fact that Voiceover does not read the time line at this >> time, you do have a lot of control over it. Oh yes there are some editing >> functions that we can not do yet, but, GarageBand is much like an analog >> transport and I here in our studio work by old analog standards, [plan your >> work and work your plan], so, not much editing is required and what there is >> is done with Amadeus Pro. >> >> Keith Reedy >> >> Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift from >> Bibles For The Blind. >> >> http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml >> >> God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him. J Hudson Taylor. >> >> >> On Jan 14, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> Hello Bryan, >>> >>> As far as selecting portions of a track to be edited, your right on the >>> money. But If your dragging and dropping something into the timeline there >>> is a way to get it where you want it. Once the media has been added into >>> your project you can cut it then paste where you want it. It takes some >>> learning but I do it every day. >>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>> >>>> The timeline is completely invisible to VoiceOver. I could maybe move the >>>> mouse to the middle of it and drop, but since I can't tell anything about >>>> it, I can't be sure that it will be dropping it where you want in terms of >>>> time. Apple really needs to fix the timeline view. Just that one freaking >>>> fix would make Garage Band usable by us. Without it, you can't exactly >>>> position items that you drop in to a project, nor can you select part of a >>>> project for editing. >>>> >>>> There aren't any Garage Band AppleScript commands that I think can really >>>> help us out. I've looked, but its scripting suite was very basic. >>>> >>>> Bryan >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Keith Reedy >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:12 PM >>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Glad you ask about other tools. >>>> >>>> Bryan ask, >>>> Are their any other requests for little tools that people might want to >>>> help speed up their day-to-day work? >>>> >>>> Yes as a matter of fact. >>>> >>>> Drag and drop does not always work in GarageBand5 and to copy a loop, >>>> stinger, or, sound effect in to a project is a good deal of work. >>>> >>>> I really need a way to copy one of these in to a new project. When you >>>> drop one of these in to a new project, GarageBand creates a new track, >>>> but, the job is getting it in to the project. Same problem with moving >>>> things from the media browser. >>>> >>>> Keith Reedy >>>> Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift >>>> from Bibles For The Blind. >>>> >>>> http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml >>>> >>>> God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him. 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