[macvoiceover] Re: sound Re: Glad you ask about other tools.
- From: Ricardo Walker <rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:48:04 -0500
I just reread my post. Sorry about that . It did sound like I was insinuating
you said reaper was accessible.
On Jan 16, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
> That's not what I said.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 6:47 PM
> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: sound Re: Glad you ask about other tools.
>
> Hello,
>
> So reaper on the Mac is reasonably accessible with voiceover in your opinion?
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>
>> I guess why it seems so terrible for me, Keith, is because I use software
>> like this for composition. I've always worked with a sequencer, and so have
>> never had to live with the limitations of linear recording. When I start
>> writing, I will have a few pieces of the song in my mind, like 2 or 3 8 bar
>> progressions or riffs. I throw them in to the project, and start writing
>> around them. Maybe I later decide that the second progression should be the
>> a section, and not the b. Maybe I decide that another groove/feel would
>> work, and so I want to keep most everything, including my drum track, but I
>> want to tweak it or overdub in to it. Particularly if the drums are
>> electronic, I want to just write 4 or 8 bars, paste that out for the entire
>> song, and then punch or edit in to do fills and other flourishes. The song
>> is a living process that I tweak to taste as I write. This editing
>> capability is why people use DAWs in the first place. If not, people would
>> be using DAT machines or other linear digital recording. I'm glad that GB
>> does what you need. I just wish that we could have enough access in it,
>> Logic, or another DAW so that we could have a real honest sequencer for the
>> Mac to use for writing music.
>>
>> I have had some good initial experiences with Reaper. It works very well
>> with VoiceOver. Nearly the entire program is accessible, except for the main
>> track window. However, on Windows, Reaper was made to work very well with
>> Jaws through Reaper's extensive macro and scripting capabilities. I hope
>> that I'll be able to make something similar happen on the Mac.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I think that Reaper only works with VST instruments. You
>> can't use the EXS24 instruments from Garage Band or Logic through VST. There
>> was once a VST version of EXS24 that could play the instruments, but just
>> not edit them. It was called EXSP24, and was supposedly part of Logic 7, but
>> Apple has discontinued it. Apparently you can only use those instruments
>> from inside Garage Band or Logic now.
>>
>> It disappoints me that the Mac's music world is so walled off. On the PC, if
>> your DAW can use VST and DXI instruments, you can use pretty much any synth
>> out there. But Pro Tools has RTAS,which no one besides Pro Tools can use,
>> and Apple locks up its synths so that they can only be used inside of their
>> DAWs. This certainly cuts back on choices.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Keith Reedy
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:58 AM
>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] sound Re: Glad you ask about other tools.
>>
>> Bryan, Ricardo and others,
>>
>> I too have used GarageBand for a long time and I move loops around on a
>> regular bases. When drag and drop was working well, back in the early days
>> of Leopard, you could drop a loop in a project and it would open a new track
>> with the new loop inside at the point in the recording where you had stopped
>> it and that is what I wanted to re establish.
>>
>> In spite of the fact that Voiceover does not read the time line at this
>> time, you do have a lot of control over it. Oh yes there are some editing
>> functions that we can not do yet, but, GarageBand is much like an analog
>> transport and I here in our studio work by old analog standards, [plan your
>> work and work your plan], so, not much editing is required and what there is
>> is done with Amadeus Pro.
>>
>> Keith Reedy
>>
>> Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift from
>> Bibles For The Blind.
>>
>> http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml
>>
>> God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him. J Hudson Taylor.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Bryan,
>>>
>>> As far as selecting portions of a track to be edited, your right on the
>>> money. But If your dragging and dropping something into the timeline there
>>> is a way to get it where you want it. Once the media has been added into
>>> your project you can cut it then paste where you want it. It takes some
>>> learning but I do it every day.
>>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>>>
>>>> The timeline is completely invisible to VoiceOver. I could maybe move the
>>>> mouse to the middle of it and drop, but since I can't tell anything about
>>>> it, I can't be sure that it will be dropping it where you want in terms of
>>>> time. Apple really needs to fix the timeline view. Just that one freaking
>>>> fix would make Garage Band usable by us. Without it, you can't exactly
>>>> position items that you drop in to a project, nor can you select part of a
>>>> project for editing.
>>>>
>>>> There aren't any Garage Band AppleScript commands that I think can really
>>>> help us out. I've looked, but its scripting suite was very basic.
>>>>
>>>> Bryan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Keith Reedy
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:12 PM
>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Glad you ask about other tools.
>>>>
>>>> Bryan ask,
>>>> Are their any other requests for little tools that people might want to
>>>> help speed up their day-to-day work?
>>>>
>>>> Yes as a matter of fact.
>>>>
>>>> Drag and drop does not always work in GarageBand5 and to copy a loop,
>>>> stinger, or, sound effect in to a project is a good deal of work.
>>>>
>>>> I really need a way to copy one of these in to a new project. When you
>>>> drop one of these in to a new project, GarageBand creates a new track,
>>>> but, the job is getting it in to the project. Same problem with moving
>>>> things from the media browser.
>>>>
>>>> Keith Reedy
>>>> Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift
>>>> from Bibles For The Blind.
>>>>
>>>> http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml
>>>>
>>>> God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him. J Hudson
>>>> Taylor.
>>>>
>>>>
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