[macvoiceover] Re: sound Re: Glad you ask about other tools.
- From: Keith Reedy <keithreedy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:23:17 -0500
Hi Bryan,
Amadeus Pro is currently using VST, and Audio Units. It is a good editor, you
can do all of the editing from the keyboard, multi track and the developer is a
real nice guy. As a matter of fact, I find my self using it more and more and
if I can get the m-audio Key Station 88 to interface with it, it may be my
first choice.
Thanks Bryan.
Keith Reedy
On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
> I guess why it seems so terrible for me, Keith, is because I use software
> like this for composition. I've always worked with a sequencer, and so have
> never had to live with the limitations of linear recording. When I start
> writing, I will have a few pieces of the song in my mind, like 2 or 3 8 bar
> progressions or riffs. I throw them in to the project, and start writing
> around them. Maybe I later decide that the second progression should be the a
> section, and not the b. Maybe I decide that another groove/feel would work,
> and so I want to keep most everything, including my drum track, but I want to
> tweak it or overdub in to it. Particularly if the drums are electronic, I
> want to just write 4 or 8 bars, paste that out for the entire song, and then
> punch or edit in to do fills and other flourishes. The song is a living
> process that I tweak to taste as I write. This editing capability is why
> people use DAWs in the first place. If not, people would be using DAT
> machines or other linear digital recording. I'm glad that GB does what you
> need. I just wish that we could have enough access in it, Logic, or another
> DAW so that we could have a real honest sequencer for the Mac to use for
> writing music.
>
> I have had some good initial experiences with Reaper. It works very well with
> VoiceOver. Nearly the entire program is accessible, except for the main track
> window. However, on Windows, Reaper was made to work very well with Jaws
> through Reaper's extensive macro and scripting capabilities. I hope that I'll
> be able to make something similar happen on the Mac.
>
> Unfortunately, I think that Reaper only works with VST instruments. You can't
> use the EXS24 instruments from Garage Band or Logic through VST. There was
> once a VST version of EXS24 that could play the instruments, but just not
> edit them. It was called EXSP24, and was supposedly part of Logic 7, but
> Apple has discontinued it. Apparently you can only use those instruments from
> inside Garage Band or Logic now.
>
> It disappoints me that the Mac's music world is so walled off. On the PC, if
> your DAW can use VST and DXI instruments, you can use pretty much any synth
> out there. But Pro Tools has RTAS,which no one besides Pro Tools can use, and
> Apple locks up its synths so that they can only be used inside of their DAWs.
> This certainly cuts back on choices.
>
> Bryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Keith Reedy
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:58 AM
> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [macvoiceover] sound Re: Glad you ask about other tools.
>
> Bryan, Ricardo and others,
>
> I too have used GarageBand for a long time and I move loops around on a
> regular bases. When drag and drop was working well, back in the early days
> of Leopard, you could drop a loop in a project and it would open a new track
> with the new loop inside at the point in the recording where you had stopped
> it and that is what I wanted to re establish.
>
> In spite of the fact that Voiceover does not read the time line at this time,
> you do have a lot of control over it. Oh yes there are some editing
> functions that we can not do yet, but, GarageBand is much like an analog
> transport and I here in our studio work by old analog standards, [plan your
> work and work your plan], so, not much editing is required and what there is
> is done with Amadeus Pro.
>
> Keith Reedy
>
> Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift from
> Bibles For The Blind.
>
> http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml
>
> God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him. J Hudson Taylor.
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>
>> Hello Bryan,
>>
>> As far as selecting portions of a track to be edited, your right on the
>> money. But If your dragging and dropping something into the timeline there
>> is a way to get it where you want it. Once the media has been added into
>> your project you can cut it then paste where you want it. It takes some
>> learning but I do it every day.
>> On Jan 14, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>>
>>> The timeline is completely invisible to VoiceOver. I could maybe move the
>>> mouse to the middle of it and drop, but since I can't tell anything about
>>> it, I can't be sure that it will be dropping it where you want in terms of
>>> time. Apple really needs to fix the timeline view. Just that one freaking
>>> fix would make Garage Band usable by us. Without it, you can't exactly
>>> position items that you drop in to a project, nor can you select part of a
>>> project for editing.
>>>
>>> There aren't any Garage Band AppleScript commands that I think can really
>>> help us out. I've looked, but its scripting suite was very basic.
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Keith Reedy
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:12 PM
>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Glad you ask about other tools.
>>>
>>> Bryan ask,
>>> Are their any other requests for little tools that people might want to
>>> help speed up their day-to-day work?
>>>
>>> Yes as a matter of fact.
>>>
>>> Drag and drop does not always work in GarageBand5 and to copy a loop,
>>> stinger, or, sound effect in to a project is a good deal of work.
>>>
>>> I really need a way to copy one of these in to a new project. When you
>>> drop one of these in to a new project, GarageBand creates a new track, but,
>>> the job is getting it in to the project. Same problem with moving things
>>> from the media browser.
>>>
>>> Keith Reedy
>>> Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift
>>> from Bibles For The Blind.
>>>
>>> http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml
>>>
>>> God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him. J Hudson Taylor.
>>>
>>>
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