[macvoiceover] Re: Voiceover Feature Enhancements
- From: "Sara" <push649@xxxxxxx>
- To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:39:04 -0600
I need it for cursor tracking and such. I don't want that on or off all the
time and going to the VO utility is a pain if I need to change these often. So,
unless numpad can do this with the press of a key, I need app-specific settings
for cursor and mouse tracking and that. About changing speech settings sure,
I'd like the key echo on sometimes and off other times. That's about all I'd
bother changing from app to app at the moment.
Sara
----- Original Message -----
From: Travis Siegel
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:22 AM
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Voiceover Feature Enhancements
Actually, the second one (move from window to window, and have vo remember
where you were in the previous window already works in most cases, it depends a
lot on the kind of application, and the state of voiceover at the time of the
switch.
I.E. if I'm in preview, and scrolling a pdf document, then I switch to text
edit, read a little, (or write a little) then switch back to preview, I merely
need to interact with the pdf content again, and I'm right back where I was.
Same with switching back to text edit.
What particular problem were you having with this feature?
As for the skipping by sentence/paragraph/whatever while in read all mode,
I'm not sure that's the point of read all mode.
If you wish to read *all* the content on the page, then skipping parts of
text isn't exactly reading all, and therefore wouldn't really fit with what the
command is suppposed to do.
If you want to skip portions of reading, just use navigational keys to move
around the text, there are keystrokes for moving vi word, sentence and
paragraph. I've never used this method of reading, (with the exception of
group mode in safari) so no real experience with how well this method works,
but perhaps others could comment.
And, as for the configurations based on application, this is something a lot
of folks ask for when they're fresh from windows, because that's what they're
used to with windows-based screen readers.
And, while I admit, a feature like this one might be kind of neat, I rarely
find a use for such a feature.
It's easy enough to change the vo basic settings such as rate, pitch and
volume on the fly using the ctrl-option-command-arrow key combinations that I
really don't think it's all that necessary to have a per-application settings
capability.
OSX isn't like windows in that each and every application requires an
entirely new set of graphic labeling files, scripts to move around the screen,
and macros to read parts of the screen automatically. A lot of the
functionality has been built-in to vo, and honestly, I just dont see a need for
that level of configuration, though I'm sure others disagree with me, but
honestly, I almost never change my vo settings while using my machine, and
don't really see any need to do so.
If you have the numpad commander turned on, you can assign a lot of vo
functions to your keypad, and thus remove most of the need to configure things
separately for different applications.
Of course, each person works differently, and I'm sure there's opposing
points of view on this topic, so let's ear them folks. I'm curious. Do you in
general think we need application-level configurations, and if so, for which
options?
What would you change from app to app that would require a configuration file
for each application you run?
Help me out. I've been using vo for over 3 years, and I just don't see this
kind of need, but I'm by far generally the exception, and not the rule, so
let's discuss this one, and find out what others think.
On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:58 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
Good evening,
There are three significant feature enhancements that I believe are
necessary in Voiceover. I have sent these requests to accessibility@xxxxxxxxx
and would strongly encourage you all to send in a message as well supporting
these requests. I would also love it if you could forward this message to any
Voiceover users that you know who do not read this list.
1. Configuration options that are configurable on a per-application basis.
2. The ability to move from one window to another (for example Preview to
Mail) and have VO remember where you wre in the original document when you
return.
3. The ability to skip the current sentence or paragraph while VO is in
continual reading mode.
Thanks,
Everett
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