[macvoiceover] Re: Beware of OIS 7
- From: John Panarese <jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 22:12:47 -0400
I don’t think it’s a reflection at all in a decline of accessibility.
People have to keep in mind that iOS 7 was a complete rewrite. The interface
entirely changed. How this impacted existing accessibility, I have no idea. I
think there are going to be bugs in iOS itself and in VoiceOver that will be
shaken out as time passes.
As for Tim Cook, I doubt very much he is going to lead a decline in
attention to accessibility. Apple has and will change under him, as he is not
Steve Jobs and his vision, I’m sure differs, but Apple is committed to
accessibility and I am honestly starting to tire of folks who make the
suggestion or outright claim that accessibility is going to continue to decline
on the Mac and in iOS as if Apple is abandoning that area.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
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On Sep 20, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Ron J. <ganahee@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ricardo,
>
> I'm not going crazy here, as you put it. I'm just saying that, no
> matter how hard he tries, or no matter how well Steve Jobs groomed him
> to take over the leadership at Apple, Tim Cook isn't, nor ever could
> be, Steve Jobs. LIke it, or not, Apple will take on his unique vision
> of what the company should look like, and that may, or may not, impact
> accessibility.
>
> Methinks the reason Apple didn't pursue the whole accessibility thing,
> initially, was because Alva Access had OutSpoken, and it was, by all
> accounts, a pretty good screen reader. I notice, not long after alva
> discontinued development of OUtSpoken, Apple jumped in to fill the
> void. I was one of the persons who participated in the "Spoken
> Interface Preview Project", and I had my misgivings, but I've been
> pleasantly surprised, ever since!
>
> I'm sincerely hoping that these bugs, glitches, or whatever one
> chooses to call them, in iOS 7, are just the normal result of software
> development, and not a trend towards a lowering of standards, (i.e. I
> see iPhone 5C as that), or a drift away from the commitment to
> accessibility.
>
> BTW, I listened to your walk-thru of iOS 7, and enjoyed it very much!
> Thank you!
>
> Take care,
>
> Ron J.
>
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 21:17:28 -0400, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I agree with your post but, lets not go crazy, please? haha. There
>> was accessibility bugs when Steve jobs was alive. I don’t think its
>> right to insinuate that this crop of bugs or, lessened accessibility
>> is somehow Tim Cooks doing. I mean, Wasn’t STeve Jobs head of Apple
>> when OS X was released with no screen reader support?
>>
>> Ricardo Walker
>> ricardo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Ron J. <ganahee@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> Since you and your wife are having troubles with the new iOS 7, it
>>> might be of help to write to accessibility@xxxxxxxxx voicing just these
>>> concerns you've mentioned in this message to the list. They need to
>>> hear it, in a respectful, thoughtful way, where the shortcomings in
>>> accessibility in iOS 7 lie, and how they impact what you do.
>>>
>>> There are, clearly, accessibility bugs in the new iOS, and part of
>>> that may just be the price of software development, and unfortunately,
>>> some of it might be that, like it or not, Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs.
>>>
>>> If need be, when you write to Apple, I'd make mention of the fact that
>>> you might be seriously leaning towards the MicroSoft products, or an
>>> Android. It may not make a huge difference, in the grand scheme of
>>> things, but most large, multi-billion dollar corporations do understand
>>> market share, bottom line, etc.
>>>
>>> I hope your trip to the Apple store is fruitful, and you can downgrade
>>> to iOS 6, and here's hoping Apple is responsive to the blindness
>>> community, and fixes the bugs known about thus far.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>>
>>> Ron J.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 09:23:02 -0700, robert thompson wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I'm a lurker and seldom post. I'm partially sighted. I can barely
>>>> see an eye chart but can point a camera and do a lot of photography.
>>>> We have put OIS 7 on my iPad and my wife's iPhone. Her eyes are very
>>>> good. I use a mouse and zoom to navigate my mac's 28 inch monitor
>>>> and let the mac read the text. I use voiceover on both the phone and
>>>> iPad. Now with 7 she can not read text in Contacts and other
>>>> places. I can not use the camera controls on the devices. We have
>>>> turned up text size, contrast and bold with little effect. Our older
>>>> iPad still uses IOS 6. It is much easier to use and read.
>>>>
>>>> I switched to the Macintosh many year's ago because of it's crisp
>>>> clear text and icons. Now that is not in style at Apple. We will
>>>> be going to the Apple store to see if it is possible to switch back
>>>> to 6. If not maybe they will trade for devices that have 6. If not,
>>>> we will walk to the Microsoft store to look at Nokia and then check
>>>> out the Android options. Too bad Apple does not seem to test things
>>>> with people with poor eyesight. They need some good industrial
>>>> designers who believe form should follow function.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Thompson
>>>> Panoramabob.com
>>>> Photo and Video Galleries
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Ron J. | AKA: Ganahee
>
> "For millions of years, mankind lived, just like the animals. Then
> something happened, which unleashed the power of our imagination; we
> learned to talk."
>
> From Pink Floyd's album, "The Division Bell", the track, "Keep Talking".>
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