Yep. Lack of CC support hurts a lot of things. I'm still trying to test VLC
to see if it encodes and passes CC and is sufficiently stable in the PCR
department. I tried the other day, but the program we were playing at the
time didn't have CC.
Dan Peek, Engineer
Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.
3391 Charley Good Road
West Frankfort, IL 62896 USA
618 627 7635 direct
618 218 2035 cell
www.3ABN.org <http://www.3abn.org/> -- Watch all our channels streaming live
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 9:19 AM Richard Goetz <rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Ah, is that the missing issue with some edit software that does not pass
CC?
Rick Goetz
R & L Media Systems
rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*From:* lptv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lptv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
Behalf Of *Dan Peek
*Sent:* Monday, April 5, 2021 11:39 AM
*To:* lptv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [lptv] Re: Movies
vMix has an http interface. You can write automation code for it. I was
looking at it a few weeks ago and unfortunately, it doesn't pass the VITC
where the CC is stored. OBS is the same.
Dan Peek, Engineer
Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.
3391 Charley Good Road
West Frankfort, IL 62896 USA
618 627 7635 direct
618 218 2035 cell
www.3ABN.org <http://www.3abn.org/> -- Watch all our channels streaming
live
On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 6:06 PM Jon C. Moon <jonmoon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
MasterPlay has some really good options, but I might look at the MegaSeg
demo just to see what it's all about....no harm in experimenting.
Here's another odd idea that's been rolling around in the back of my head:
Maybe vMix could be used as a playout server. vMix is low-cost software
that is is typically used for live production / streaming. However, it has
a playlist option to play video files sequentially - and supports Black
Magic SDI output cards. The real trick would be creating a way to kick off
certain playlists at scheduled times. Since vMix has a a web control API,
I might be able to create such a custom program to do so using the
FileMaker Pro development engine. Probably possible to do, but would take
a good bit of time and research and I'm way too busy with spring sports to
jump into that right now (and why reinvent the wheel, right!)
Jon C. Moon
Ridgeline TV Channel 99
706-897-0872
www.ridgelinetv.net
On Apr 1, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Daniel Brown <
daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Right. None of these movies has CC so HDMI works well in this instance.
But we had a MacBook Pro that wasn’t being used very much so we set it up
for automation. So far its worked flawlessly so we’ll probably bring it
online in a few days.
DB
On Apr 1, 2021, at 5:57 AM, Richard Goetz <rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I would like to point out HDMI does not pass Closed Caption. So if you
have a commercial that has closed caption and you do not pass it, you could
be fined. Does it happen ,not often, but it can. Like running classic TV
shows that are not in the Public Domain.
Masterplay can do the same thing by using manual time cue points in the
name. We do that with the MyTV segments that come down every night at one
station. We read the network logs and put in the playlist:
D:\MyTV\CSI_MIAMI-PRIMARY_WEEKDAY_(8PM)-CSI_MIAMI-U83129-070519.ts[00:00:20;00
00:20:09;11]
So it will play from 20 seconds, zero frame to 20 minutes, 9 seconds and
11 frames. Great if you have a log sheet but would seem to be a bigger pain
then using the segment editor or manually cutting up the shows without a
log. I personally like to cut up my shows so they will work with any
automation system. But to each his own.
There is cheaper software out there that will work with Black Magic cards.
But they do not do As-Run logs, Folder Playout, Text File playlist, Cue
Tone decode, etc. In other words, the software doesn’t “think”. Those
features can save you hours each week. You have to compare your time to the
cost of the software. I could make a new playlist every day OR I can just
move shows in and out of folders Or even better let the software change the
episodes each week. I have 4 channels running Masterplay in Nashville and I
very seldom log into them except to change out commercials or a show on
Saturdays.
I hope no one gets upset but this is an open discussion and we all need to
share our views so we all can decide what is best for our stations.
Rick Goetz
R & L Media Systems
rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*From:* lptv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lptv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<lptv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Brown
*Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 1:18 AM
*To:* lptv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [lptv] Re: Movies
Something that the owners of my station and I have been experimenting with
is creating a movie channel using a Mac-based automation software called
MegaSeg.
There is a function in this software that will allow you to take a large
file, like a movie, and insert sub-playlists within the file. No need to
split up the movie into segments. Just indicate where in the movie file
you want the software to stop playing and play the sub-playlist (which
would contain spots, ID etc.) and then resume playing the movie. You can
do this throughout the movie.
Frankly, the station owners can’t afford any more Masterplay licenses.
This software is 199.00 and will play any HD/SD movie file using the Mac’s
HDMI out.
Dan
On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Richard Goetz <rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
So the real question which one are people going to sit and watch for 6
hours, whole movies with commercials in between or commercials within the
movies. I think we set the movies up for only 2 minute breaks within the
movies unlike some of the cable networks that run 4-6 minute commercial
breaks.
Rick Goetz
R & L Media Systems
rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*From:* lptv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lptv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<lptv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Jon C. Moon
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 31, 2021 2:43 PM
*To:* lptv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [lptv] Re: Movies
So Papa Elliott Block always pointed out that most people at the theater
don't stay to watch the ending credits. Once the entertainment over, you've
lost most of your audience.
Seems reasonable that it works that way for TV, so ad breaks within the
programming makes sense to me...after all, that's the way the major
commercial broadcasters do it.
But, yeah, it takes a lot more work to cut up movies and make sure they
time out properly. Then again, there's nothing wrong with trying different
approaches - there are no hard rules!
Another argument for breaking it up with commercial breaks is that your
viewers have to take a pee some time!
Jon C. Moon
Ridgeline TV Channel 99
706-897-0872
www.ridgelinetv.net
On Mar 31, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Richard Goetz <rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
For our Movie channel, we made 6 hour clusters of movies, so (4) 1:30
or (3) 2:00 or (1) 2:30, (1) 2:00 and (1) 1:30. We then made (2) “What’s
playing” videos:
Up Next
12:00 A Boy, A Girl and A Dog
2:00 Farewell To Arms
4:00 A Double Life
And
Up Next
6:00 A Boy, A Girl and A Dog
8:00 Farewell To Arms
10:00 A Double Life
It was always going to be one or the other.
Rick Goetz
R & L Media Systems
rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*From:* lptv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lptv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<lptv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Maureen Cooper (Redacted
sender "maureen.goliath" for DMARC)
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2021 3:19 PM
*To:* lptv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [lptv] Re: Movies
I almost agree with that concept. It does give it a premium look and
perhaps in the extra time, with any behind the scenes shots that could run
after the show, with the commercial breaks in between and them, and then a
short 120-second promo on what's coming up next. And leave the promo
general "coming up next;" this way you can use the same promo prior to
airing that show again, and not date it, or put a certain time one it.
Saves time in making new promos every week. And then on the half hour
series - run some series together like four episodes of Zorro and fill the
commercial breaks on those as usual. Run some more movies, then do a
four-in-a-row, episodic series on something different, like whatever meets
the genre of the network, or channel; Bonanza, or comedy, I Love Lucy,
etc... That would be cool, and I know promos are king to keeping the
audience waiting, or they change the channel. imo
Sincerely,
Maureen Cooper
Program Director, Simultv
Maybacks/Holyfield TV Networks
(o)480-408-0424
www.iHolyfieldtv.com <http://www.iholyfieldtv.com/>
www.Simultv.com <http://www.simultv.com/>
www.maybacksglobal.com
On Tuesday, March 30, 2021, 04:48:25 AM MST, Richard Goetz <
rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I asked this a few years ago but decided to ask it again as times have
changed.
In regard to running Classic Movies, is it better to break them up and
run a commercial break every 20 minutes or run them whole and run the
commercials between movies in the “it’s 10 minutes till show time”,
Commercial Break, “it’s 9 minutes till show time”. I started out as whole
movies, then cut them up on the advice of Elliot Block, but was working
with Tony Tidwell at WBII who is running whole movies and he seems to be
getting good response from whole movies since they complain when they do
not run right and now that I think about it, I got better response from
whole movies. Whole movies makes it feel more like a premium movie channel.
Rick Goetz
R & L Media Systems
rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
