I have used newer DVD movies to test closed caption.
Rick Goetz
R & L Media Systems
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Dan Peek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 1:35 PM
To: lptv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lptv] Re: Movies
Yep. Lack of CC support hurts a lot of things. I'm still trying to test VLC to
see if it encodes and passes CC and is sufficiently stable in the PCR
department. I tried the other day, but the program we were playing at the time
didn't have CC.
Dan Peek, Engineer
Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.
3391 Charley Good Road
West Frankfort, IL 62896 USA
618 627 7635 direct
618 218 2035 cell
www.3ABN.org <http://www.3abn.org/> -- Watch all our channels streaming live
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 9:19 AM Richard Goetz <rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ah, is that the missing issue with some edit software that does not pass CC?
Rick Goetz
R & L Media Systems
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Dan Peek
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 11:39 AM
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Subject: [lptv] Re: Movies
vMix has an http interface. You can write automation code for it. I was looking
at it a few weeks ago and unfortunately, it doesn't pass the VITC where the CC
is stored. OBS is the same.
Dan Peek, Engineer
Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.
3391 Charley Good Road
West Frankfort, IL 62896 USA
618 627 7635 direct
618 218 2035 cell
www.3ABN.org <http://www.3abn.org/> -- Watch all our channels streaming live
On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 6:06 PM Jon C. Moon <jonmoon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
MasterPlay has some really good options, but I might look at the MegaSeg demo
just to see what it's all about....no harm in experimenting.
Here's another odd idea that's been rolling around in the back of my head:
Maybe vMix could be used as a playout server. vMix is low-cost software that
is is typically used for live production / streaming. However, it has a
playlist option to play video files sequentially - and supports Black Magic SDI
output cards. The real trick would be creating a way to kick off certain
playlists at scheduled times. Since vMix has a a web control API, I might be
able to create such a custom program to do so using the FileMaker Pro
development engine. Probably possible to do, but would take a good bit of time
and research and I'm way too busy with spring sports to jump into that right
now (and why reinvent the wheel, right!)
Jon C. Moon
Ridgeline TV Channel 99
706-897-0872
www.ridgelinetv.net <http://www.ridgelinetv.net/>
On Apr 1, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Daniel Brown <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Right. None of these movies has CC so HDMI works well in this instance. But
we had a MacBook Pro that wasn’t being used very much so we set it up for
automation. So far its worked flawlessly so we’ll probably bring it online in
a few days.
DB
On Apr 1, 2021, at 5:57 AM, Richard Goetz <rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I would like to point out HDMI does not pass Closed Caption. So if you have a
commercial that has closed caption and you do not pass it, you could be fined.
Does it happen ,not often, but it can. Like running classic TV shows that are
not in the Public Domain.
Masterplay can do the same thing by using manual time cue points in the name.
We do that with the MyTV segments that come down every night at one station. We
read the network logs and put in the playlist:
D:\MyTV\CSI_MIAMI-PRIMARY_WEEKDAY_(8PM)-CSI_MIAMI-U83129-070519.ts[00:00:20;00
00:20:09;11]
So it will play from 20 seconds, zero frame to 20 minutes, 9 seconds and 11
frames. Great if you have a log sheet but would seem to be a bigger pain then
using the segment editor or manually cutting up the shows without a log. I
personally like to cut up my shows so they will work with any automation
system. But to each his own.
There is cheaper software out there that will work with Black Magic cards. But
they do not do As-Run logs, Folder Playout, Text File playlist, Cue Tone
decode, etc. In other words, the software doesn’t “think”. Those features can
save you hours each week. You have to compare your time to the cost of the
software. I could make a new playlist every day OR I can just move shows in and
out of folders Or even better let the software change the episodes each week. I
have 4 channels running Masterplay in Nashville and I very seldom log into them
except to change out commercials or a show on Saturdays.
I hope no one gets upset but this is an open discussion and we all need to
share our views so we all can decide what is best for our stations.
Rick Goetz
R & L Media Systems
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Daniel Brown
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 1:18 AM
To: lptv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lptv] Re: Movies
Something that the owners of my station and I have been experimenting with is
creating a movie channel using a Mac-based automation software called MegaSeg.
There is a function in this software that will allow you to take a large file,
like a movie, and insert sub-playlists within the file. No need to split up
the movie into segments. Just indicate where in the movie file you want the
software to stop playing and play the sub-playlist (which would contain spots,
ID etc.) and then resume playing the movie. You can do this throughout the
movie.
Frankly, the station owners can’t afford any more Masterplay licenses. This
software is 199.00 and will play any HD/SD movie file using the Mac’s HDMI out.
Dan
On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Richard Goetz < <mailto:rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So the real question which one are people going to sit and watch for 6 hours,
whole movies with commercials in between or commercials within the movies. I
think we set the movies up for only 2 minute breaks within the movies unlike
some of the cable networks that run 4-6 minute commercial breaks.
Rick Goetz
R & L Media Systems
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Of Jon C. Moon
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 2:43 PM
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Subject: [lptv] Re: Movies
So Papa Elliott Block always pointed out that most people at the theater don't
stay to watch the ending credits. Once the entertainment over, you've lost most
of your audience.
Seems reasonable that it works that way for TV, so ad breaks within the
programming makes sense to me...after all, that's the way the major commercial
broadcasters do it.
But, yeah, it takes a lot more work to cut up movies and make sure they time
out properly. Then again, there's nothing wrong with trying different
approaches - there are no hard rules!
Another argument for breaking it up with commercial breaks is that your viewers
have to take a pee some time!
Jon C. Moon
Ridgeline TV Channel 99
706-897-0872
<http://www.ridgelinetv.net/> www.ridgelinetv.net
On Mar 31, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Richard Goetz < <mailto:rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
For our Movie channel, we made 6 hour clusters of movies, so (4) 1:30 or (3)
2:00 or (1) 2:30, (1) 2:00 and (1) 1:30. We then made (2) “What’s playing”
videos:
Up Next
12:00 A Boy, A Girl and A Dog
2:00 Farewell To Arms
4:00 A Double Life
And
Up Next
6:00 A Boy, A Girl and A Dog
8:00 Farewell To Arms
10:00 A Double Life
It was always going to be one or the other.
Rick Goetz
R & L Media Systems
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Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 3:19 PM
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Subject: [lptv] Re: Movies
I almost agree with that concept. It does give it a premium look and perhaps
in the extra time, with any behind the scenes shots that could run after the
show, with the commercial breaks in between and them, and then a short
120-second promo on what's coming up next. And leave the promo general "coming
up next;" this way you can use the same promo prior to airing that show again,
and not date it, or put a certain time one it. Saves time in making new promos
every week. And then on the half hour series - run some series together like
four episodes of Zorro and fill the commercial breaks on those as usual. Run
some more movies, then do a four-in-a-row, episodic series on something
different, like whatever meets the genre of the network, or channel; Bonanza,
or comedy, I Love Lucy, etc... That would be cool, and I know promos are king
to keeping the audience waiting, or they change the channel. imo
Sincerely,
Maureen Cooper
Program Director, Simultv
Maybacks/Holyfield TV Networks
(o)480-408-0424
<http://www.iholyfieldtv.com/> www.iHolyfieldtv.com
<http://www.simultv.com/> www.Simultv.com
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On Tuesday, March 30, 2021, 04:48:25 AM MST, Richard Goetz <
<mailto:rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I asked this a few years ago but decided to ask it again as times have
changed.
In regard to running Classic Movies, is it better to break them up and run a
commercial break every 20 minutes or run them whole and run the commercials
between movies in the “it’s 10 minutes till show time”, Commercial Break, “it’s
9 minutes till show time”. I started out as whole movies, then cut them up on
the advice of Elliot Block, but was working with Tony Tidwell at WBII who is
running whole movies and he seems to be getting good response from whole movies
since they complain when they do not run right and now that I think about it, I
got better response from whole movies. Whole movies makes it feel more like a
premium movie channel.
Rick Goetz
R & L Media Systems
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