Can modulate multiple programs on the same frequency - carrier
No,
each program needs to be modulated on a separate frequency
Something else to look at on the low-cost units such as the Thor Thunder is
many do not multiplex the streams into one channel. So channel 1 might be RF
channel 14, channel 2 is RF channel 16, etc. Great when doing a small system
for a home, hospital or hotel, but will not work for what we do.
Rick Goetz
R & L Media Systems
(615) 826-0792
rickg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: lptv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lptv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ;
craigf199 (Redacted sender "craigf199" for DMARC)
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:05 PM
To: lptv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lptv] Re: Digital to Analog to Digital
From looking over the specs below, this unit, as a modulator, looks like it's
designed purposely just for closed-circuit cable operation as it has only a
75-ohm RF output (picture on website) and not an ASI output normally used to
feed a transmitter's exciter.
It doesn't mention having any EAS capability and has no linear or non-linear
distortion correction meaning it would only work with a very low efficiency
Class A linear amplifier and wouldn't have any ability to correct for mask
filter distortion.
Also, it doesn't mention being able to caption EIA-708, just 608 and for any CC
you would need to have a source that already has Line 21 CC available. That
has mostly become a thing of the past.
So yes, it's ATSC, but not designed for broadcasting.
* 1-8 HDMI channels Inputs (model dependent)
* HDCP compliant works with any HDMI source like DVD Player or Cable,
Satellite STB up to 1080p/60 resolution
* MPEG2 Video Encoding
* 1080p/60, 1080i, 720p, 576i, 480i Video Resolution
* Low Latency (50~100ms)
* MPEG layer 2, AAC, and DD AC3 Audio Encoding
* CC (Closed Caption), EIA 608
* LCN
* DVB-C DIGITAL QAM, ATSC, DVB-T, ISDB-T RF in one device, Modulation
dynamic switching
* Control Via Web-Based NMS, and easy updates Via Web
* LCD Display and front panel control
Craig Fox
WTVU/WIXT
Syracuse, NY
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-----Original Message-----
From: Norm Kaiser <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lptv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <lptv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2021 3:00 pm
Subject: [lptv] Re: Digital to Analog to Digital
Hi Dan...yes, this makes sense. The encoder I linked to has an input for
composite video in to get the closed captions from and the device doesn't
appear to be all that expensive.
Norm Kaiser - Manager of Business Development
RIGHTNOWTV
http://www.RightNowTelevision.com ;<http://www.rightnowtelevision.com/>
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On Thursday, December 31, 2020, 08:59:38 PM CST, Dan Peek <dan.peek@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:
For all the afore mentioned reasons plus the fact that sadly HDMI doesn't pass
closed captions. So just converting it to SDI leaves it without embedded
closed captions that the consumer TV can decode or not decode.
Some HDMI encoders take composite on the side for closed caption embedding.
Sometimes HDMI from consumer devices won't talk directly to encoders. Usually
an HDMI splitter remove the copyright stuff and solve that problem.
Dan
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020, 1:46 PM Norm Kaiser <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Craig!
Thanks for the reply.
We do provide either a BlackMagic HDMI to SDI converter or composite converter
to our affiliates...but it just seems like such a crying shame to take a clean
digital output, convert it to analog, only to convert it back again.
Would a device like the one below solve the issue?
Econonical HDMI HDCP modulator QAM ATSC DVB-T ISDB-T
<https://thorbroadcast.com/product/1-4-or-8-hdmi-digital-rf-encoder-modulator-8230.html/236?gclid=CjwKCAiAirb_BRBNEiwALHlnD9a6jwk_heizZOEn5gUMPcNRAPngQIh3Owd1BNIgW6AL6F-6PQGo8xoCbaQQAvD_BwE>
Econonical HDMI HDCP modulator QAM ATSC DVB-T ISDB-T
1 to 8 HDMI Digital RF Modulator with Closed Captioning is an all in one device
integrating MPEG2 encoding and m...
Norm Kaiser - Manager of Business Development
RIGHTNOWTV
http://www.RightNowTelevision.com ;<http://www.rightnowtelevision.com/>
norm.kaiser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Thursday, December 31, 2020, 12:44:27 PM CST, craigf199
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Norm,
Two reasons: Most broadcast encoders need an SDI signal via a BNC connection
as that would normally embed video, audio and CC. However, most of everyone's
EAS encoders still need a composite signal in which the signal feeds through
the EAS unit to overlay the video/audio EAS tones and messages if it's the
primary program for the station.
And yes, to answer your last question, most folks do not have direct HDMI
encoders as that isn't a broadcast standard configuration.
For your programming, anyone needing or wanting SDI would need an HDMI to SDI
converter like a BlackMagic Design HDMI to SDI Mini Converter. For HDMI to
analog, there are a number of very inexpensive (approx. $35) models from Radio
Shack or Parts Express, RCA, etc.
Craig Fox
WTVU/WIXT
Syracuse, NY
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-----Original Message-----
From: Norm Kaiser <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lptv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <lptv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2020 12:52 pm
Subject: [lptv] Digital to Analog to Digital
Hi folks!
I was hoping everyone could help me understand some LPTV basics.
I've been partner now in a diginet for over two years. One thing I'm not
understanding is the fact that almost all of our affiliate stations, when we go
to ship them our playback device, almost all of them request a composite output.
Composite is analog.
The output of the playout device is digital HDMI.
The broadcast standard is digital.
So aren't the affiliates taking a digital output, converting it to analog, then
converting it back to digital again?
Why is this done? Is it because many folks don't have HDMI encoders?
Thanks!
Norm
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