Hi,
I get three Amino feeds. They periodically lock up, so you have to watch them.
My solution for a reliable feed is to get a a pair of D2Flex3000s. You have
to add in an inexpensive Blonder Tongue encoder from Ebay and an inexpensive
Sencore 3187A ASI receiver from eBay. Then voila, you have a super reliable
link. The D2Flex3000s have been improving. There were some bugs in the past,
but those have been fixed. Whenever I experience a bug, I report it to Steve
Doll's team, and now they have fixed the problems. I now use fourteen
D2Flex3000s (seven pairs)!
Blessings,
Keith
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Aminos only really work for a few protocols and with low latency. We are using
two with no issues. One decoding our ThisTV feed from the udp network output
from the receiver on a Wireless lan (had too much interference on one of our
cband dishes at studio, so had to receive it at our tower site and send back to
studio via wireless lan). The amino picks it up and haven't touched it.
We use another for a local church who leases a channel from us. They send a udp
signal from a 1 channel PVI encoder over internet to our amino box. We never
have to touch it.
If however you use them to open an HLS stream, they are horrible. They will
lock up all the time.
Gil Reynolds
VP / Station Manager
Hometown Television:
XL7-TV (K07XL Mtn. Home)
K26-TV (K26GS Harrison)
Over the Air - Ch 26 | COX – Ch 843 | Suddenlink – Ch 22 | Ritter – Ch 22,
26.1-26.7 | Yelcot - Ch 70-75 | Natco - Ch 27-33
1226 Commerce Drive
Mountain, Home, AR 72653
Office: 870-424-6957
Cell 870-391-6060
HometownTV.net

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 8:30 AM Norm Kaiser
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Maureen:
Very interesting that you said that.
In our experience Amino 140s were a complete disaster. Right Now TV almost went
out of business because of them. Entirely unreliable. Junk.
We had to develop our own decoder in-house to replace the Aminos. I have an
Amino right here in my closet that I'm going to take out to the shooting range
and use as target practice!
Norm Kaiser - Manager of Business Development
RIGHTNOWTV
http://www.RightNowTelevision.com
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On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 04:45:38 AM CST, Maureen Cooper
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I bought around four thousand dollars into Thor boxes for a few affiliate
stations for a previous network, years ago though, but they did not work,
period. Thor agreed they were unable to get them to work, on a couple low
power stations. However, when we returned them, they kept one thousand dollars,
and said there was a scratch on one of the boxes and only returned $3k back to
me.
We have spent the last two years testing all kinds of everything imaginable for
a simple master control and we found a great scheduling system and signal works
great. We have come back to the very functional, inexpensive and sturdy great
decoder - Amino H140 or A140.
I feel like Amino always works.
Sincerely,
Maureen Cooper
Program Director, Simultv
Maybacks/Holyfield TV Networks
(o)520-252-0263
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On Tuesday, January 5, 2021, 01:58:37 PM PST, Jon C. Moon
<jonmoon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jonmoon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I use a Blonder-Tongue encoder like Rebecca linked to and the good thing about
those units is that they also have EAS inputs. Even if you're doing two
channels of HD, you can still utilize your old SD EAS unit. You can run the
video out from older EAS unit right into the EAS video/audio inputs on the BT
encoder. It's not going to be a crawl superimposed over your programming
video, but it will keep your station legal.
Jon C. Moon
Ridgeline TV Channel 99
706-897-0872
www.ridgelinetv.net<http://www.ridgelinetv.net/>
On Jan 3, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Keith Leitch
<keith@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:keith@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Rebecca,
One like this with HD-SDI inputs. Make an offer on eBay for half the asking
price:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Blonder-Tongue-Laboratories-HDE-2H-2S-QAM-HD-Encoder-2-HDMI-2-HD-SDI-QAM/143669399942?hash=item21735d1186:g:rbAAAOSwdwpfIxZ0
Blessings,
Keith
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Is this what you’re referring to?
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 12:11 PM Keith Leitch
<keith@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:keith@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi,
There is no need to get a Thor Encoder. Instead, just search eBay periodically
for "Blonder Tongue", and you'll find nice HD encoders with two HD program
sources for $300.
I'm an avid eBay buyer. When I find equipment that works, I search eBay
periodically for it.
Be Blessed in the New Year!
Keith
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Subject: [lptv] Re: Digital to Analog to Digital
Can modulate multiple programs on the same frequency - carrier
No,
each program needs to be modulated on a separate frequency
Something else to look at on the low-cost units such as the Thor Thunder is
many do not multiplex the streams into one channel. So channel 1 might be RF
channel 14, channel 2 is RF channel 16, etc. Great when doing a small system
for a home, hospital or hotel, but will not work for what we do.
Rick Goetz
R & L Media Systems
(615) 826-0792
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From looking over the specs below, this unit, as a modulator, looks like it's
designed purposely just for closed-circuit cable operation as it has only a
75-ohm RF output (picture on website) and not an ASI output normally used to
feed a transmitter's exciter.
It doesn't mention having any EAS capability and has no linear or non-linear
distortion correction meaning it would only work with a very low efficiency
Class A linear amplifier and wouldn't have any ability to correct for mask
filter distortion.
Also, it doesn't mention being able to caption EIA-708, just 608 and for any CC
you would need to have a source that already has Line 21 CC available. That
has mostly become a thing of the past.
So yes, it's ATSC, but not designed for broadcasting.
* 1-8 HDMI channels Inputs (model dependent)
* HDCP compliant works with any HDMI source like DVD Player or Cable,
Satellite STB up to 1080p/60 resolution
* MPEG2 Video Encoding
* 1080p/60, 1080i, 720p, 576i, 480i Video Resolution
* Low Latency (50~100ms)
* MPEG layer 2, AAC, and DD AC3 Audio Encoding
* CC (Closed Caption), EIA 608
* LCN
* DVB-C DIGITAL QAM, ATSC, DVB-T, ISDB-T RF in one device, Modulation
dynamic switching
* Control Via Web-Based NMS, and easy updates Via Web
* LCD Display and front panel control
Craig Fox
WTVU/WIXT
Syracuse, NY
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Subject: [lptv] Re: Digital to Analog to Digital
Hi Dan...yes, this makes sense. The encoder I linked to has an input for
composite video in to get the closed captions from and the device doesn't
appear to be all that expensive.
Norm Kaiser - Manager of Business Development
RIGHTNOWTV
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On Thursday, December 31, 2020, 08:59:38 PM CST, Dan Peek
<dan.peek@xxxxxxxx<mailto:dan.peek@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
For all the afore mentioned reasons plus the fact that sadly HDMI doesn't pass
closed captions. So just converting it to SDI leaves it without embedded
closed captions that the consumer TV can decode or not decode.
Some HDMI encoders take composite on the side for closed caption embedding.
Sometimes HDMI from consumer devices won't talk directly to encoders. Usually
an HDMI splitter remove the copyright stuff and solve that problem.
Dan
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020, 1:46 PM Norm Kaiser
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Craig!
Thanks for the reply.
We do provide either a BlackMagic HDMI to SDI converter or composite converter
to our affiliates...but it just seems like such a crying shame to take a clean
digital output, convert it to analog, only to convert it back again.
Would a device like the one below solve the issue?
Econonical HDMI HDCP modulator QAM ATSC DVB-T
ISDB-T<https://thorbroadcast.com/product/1-4-or-8-hdmi-digital-rf-encoder-modulator-8230.html/236?gclid=CjwKCAiAirb_BRBNEiwALHlnD9a6jwk_heizZOEn5gUMPcNRAPngQIh3Owd1BNIgW6AL6F-6PQGo8xoCbaQQAvD_BwE>
Econonical HDMI HDCP modulator QAM ATSC DVB-T ISDB-T
1 to 8 HDMI Digital RF Modulator with Closed Captioning is an all in one device
integrating MPEG2 encoding and m...
Norm Kaiser - Manager of Business Development
RIGHTNOWTV
http://www.RightNowTelevision.com<http://www.rightnowtelevision.com/>
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On Thursday, December 31, 2020, 12:44:27 PM CST, craigf199
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Norm,
Two reasons: Most broadcast encoders need an SDI signal via a BNC connection
as that would normally embed video, audio and CC. However, most of everyone's
EAS encoders still need a composite signal in which the signal feeds through
the EAS unit to overlay the video/audio EAS tones and messages if it's the
primary program for the station.
And yes, to answer your last question, most folks do not have direct HDMI
encoders as that isn't a broadcast standard configuration.
For your programming, anyone needing or wanting SDI would need an HDMI to SDI
converter like a BlackMagic Design HDMI to SDI Mini Converter. For HDMI to
analog, there are a number of very inexpensive (approx. $35) models from Radio
Shack or Parts Express, RCA, etc.
Craig Fox
WTVU/WIXT
Syracuse, NY
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Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2020 12:52 pm
Subject: [lptv] Digital to Analog to Digital
Hi folks!
I was hoping everyone could help me understand some LPTV basics.
I've been partner now in a diginet for over two years. One thing I'm not
understanding is the fact that almost all of our affiliate stations, when we go
to ship them our playback device, almost all of them request a composite output.
Composite is analog.
The output of the playout device is digital HDMI.
The broadcast standard is digital.
So aren't the affiliates taking a digital output, converting it to analog, then
converting it back to digital again?
Why is this done? Is it because many folks don't have HDMI encoders?
Thanks!
Norm
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