In a message dated 12/17/2009 12:54:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pastone@xxxxxxxxx writes: he was just another guy. ---- Too true. This relates to Geary's test: "Just another Guy" 1. two legs, with their corresponding two feet 2. two arms, with their corresponding two hands 3. the proper sexual organs for a guy 4. a working brain. 5. etc. I cannot see what Paul Stone may mean by WANTING Toulmin "not to be a _guy_". Perhaps Geary does. JLS