Okay. Let's say that the world could implement good parenting universally. Who is given to choose what "good parenting" looks like? I'm suspecting there might, just conceivably, be a few differences of opinion out there on the subject.... What if part of humankind's obsession with religion is a search for some sort of objective valuation that acts as a moral compass to determine for a given culture what societal issues like "good parenting" look like? A way of reaching out for something w/ a higher authority than each Mom and Dad warring for "my way is the REAL good parenting"? Many husbands and wives can't even come to an agreement. Most communities agree that children should not be soldiers, children should not be tortured (of course, even our state govt has trouble figuring out what constitutes torture), children should not be threatened with death.... In the absence of religion, where is an generally decided on moral value to come from? The inherent human instinct? Or conversely, if the human instinct is so driven to seek a morality, can humankind be as bad as you see it? Julie Krueger wandering around the edges of old ground ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: T'AINT FUNNY, MCGEE Date: 12/8/2006 8:48:05 P.M. Central Standard Time From: _aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) Sent on: Yup. It would be the next best thing to a magic wand for the world. And just as likely to happen. ----- Original Message ----- From: (mailto:JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx) To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) Sent: 12/8/2006 9:40:47 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: T'AINT FUNNY, MCGEE So your deity of choice is good parenting? Julie Krueger ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: T'AINT FUNNY, MCGEE Date: 12/8/2006 8:02:00 P.M. Central Standard Time From: _aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) Sent on: ----- Original Message ----- From: (mailto:JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx) To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) Sent: 12/8/2006 8:46:07 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: T'AINT FUNNY, MCGEE <<So what's your explanation for why mankind continues to be so religious?>> Well, I'm a little close to the subject being, i.e., a part of mankind myself.... I have no explanations -- that's like asking a dog to explain the behaviour of canines. A.A. I guess by that definition there's not much we can say or theorize about mankind, since we're all part of it. J.K. The simple fact is that evidence says that it's part of who humankind is. The relevant question isn't "why", but "so what do we do with this". A.A. I think the why is infinitely more interesting and productive. We can't know what to do with something unless we know what's driving it. My personal feelings are it's based in fear, and brainwashing by parents based on fear and the need to control. If we improved parenting techniques, the need for religion would vastly diminish. Not to worry, that's never going to happen.