[lit-ideas] Re: One of the better fatwa's
- From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:01:35 +0100
No, Lawrence, I did not assume you said CAIR had issued a fatwa. You did
though say
there'd been a fatwa (I quote)
>And I suppose to distance themselves from the hate-filled Spencer,
>they've issued a fatwa: "May Allah rip out his spine from his back
> and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then
>do it over and over."
but 'may Allah (etc.)' is not a fatwa. It was said (in 2005) by one Muslim.
>The letter I received referred to it as a fatwa but didn't say
>who issued it. I didn't question this. Why would I?
because you might want to know the truth.
>>>>>>>>>
"Robert is so good at what he does terrorists issued a fatwa - a legal
decree in sharia law requiring any Muslim to kill Spencer if they had the
chance. The fatwa's closing line is nothing less than bloodcurdling:
"May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and
then put them both back, and then do it over and over."
And yet Judy says, "But there has been no fatwa against Spencer. I'll say
that again. There has been no fatwa against Spencer."
<<<<<<<<
so, now we have the email you got. Well, Spencer doesn't say there was a
fatwa, Spencer is
one of my sources for
>It was said (in 2005) by one Muslim (to be accurate, in or before 2005)
Spencer said he was threatened, clearly he was.
>Spencer has been threatened legally in such a way that
>he is going to be potentially damaged as much as the
>Hollywood Communists ever were
may be gaoled by his country? may never be able to work again (unless he
flees to Europe)? Don't be silly, Lawrence.
LH>The statement under contention is issued in the form of a Fatwa. Front
Page Mag says it is LHa >fatwa.
I can't find that (link, please) I have found (again) the source for my
initial
>1. it seems one Muslim did indeed post this on a bulletin board, or send
it in
>a letter, re Spencer, in or before 2005 (sorry I thought that was a ranting
invention
>of yours), *on or before 2005*.
and the source is -- indeed -- Spencer; the comment was posted in a comments
thread at revivingislam (but you yourself quote that, we're using the same
material)
As I said, there is no fatwa. If there had been a fatwa, Spencer would have
said so.
I can't spent the rest of my life pointing out that there is no fatwa, that
the statement in 2005 was not a fatwa nor was in in furtherance of a fatwa,
so, I give up *again*.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:31 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: One of the better fatwa's
Judy:
I quoted that a fatwa had been issued. You jumped to a wrong conclusion and
assumed without evidence that I said CAIR had issued it. The letter I
received referred to it as a fatwa but didn't say who issued it. I didn't
question this. Why would I? Why would I want to defend Islamists or
Jihadists. Only Leftists would want to jump to their defense and accuse
people of lying who say Jihadists and Islamists might wish poor Robert
Spencer harm.
I was not initially so defensive that I thought it necessary to cite the
details of an Islamist and Jihadist attack against Spencer -- I mean Spencer
is out there fighting them and that they would attack him in every way
possible ought to go without saying -- at least I thought it should, but
here is Judy attacking me for assuming that Spencer might be attacked. I
clarified the legal action against him and them moved on to the Fatwa. Here
is what the letter said about the fatwa;
"Robert is so good at what he does terrorists issued a fatwa - a legal
decree in sharia law requiring any Muslim to kill Spencer if they had the
chance. The fatwa's closing line is nothing less than bloodcurdling:
"May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and
then put them both back, and then do it over and over."
And yet Judy says, "But there has been no fatwa against Spencer. I'll say
that again. There has been no fatwa against Spencer."
Spencer has been threatened legally in such a way that he is going to be
potentially damaged as much as the Hollywood Communists ever were, people
Leftists hold near and dear. And the people in the business, FrontPageMag
say it was a fatwa, but I don't know what would satisfy Judy about that.
Does she want a formal Notary Public to sign off on them? Osama bin Laden
issued a fatwa and he isn't supposed to be able to do that according to
some. The statement under contention is issued in the form of a Fatwa.
Front Page Mag says it is a fatwa. It was apparently issued by
RevivingIslam.com.
This if from a site I posted and written by Spencer:
"May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and
then put them both back, and then do it over and over again"
RevivingIslam.com is back, so I thought you might be interested in seeing
the reaction they had to my publicizing of their death threat against me.
This material was posted on the RevivingIslam forums in the three days
between my posting the threat and the shutdown of their site -- a shutdown
that has now proved to be temporary.
I expect that most people in this country still don't realize that there are
some among us who pray such prayers and harbor such wishes. I hope that law
enforcement officials are looking out for the people who posted these
things, although no one has responded to my reporting of this material.
The "Jew at Jihad Watch" to which they're referring is, of course, me. I am
honored by the designation, but it is erroneous, and arises from the
Qur'an's depiction of the Jews as the most persistent and clever enemies of
Islam.
Jew At Jihad Watch Strikes Again, Claims He's not a Member of RI
May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and
then put them both back, and then do it over and over again. May He put this
friend of shaytaan in the worst part of jahannum. Ameen.
And Allah is capable of all things.
All of the following is written by Richard Spencer ash-Shaytaani [that is,
Robert Spencer of Satan] on his Jewish Zionist blog, where he quotes some of
the posters on this board. I've put these quotes into [quote/quote] to make
it easier to read without going to his Hedonistic web site....
Lawrence
------------Original Message------------
From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, Aug-8-2007 1:55 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: One of the better fatwa's
So
1. it seems one Muslim did indeed post this on a bulletin board, or send it
in
a letter, re Spencer, in or before 2005 (sorry I thought that was a ranting
invention
of yours), *on or before 2005*.
"May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two,
and then put them both back, and then do it over and over"
2. But there has been no fatwa against Spencer. I'll say that again.
There has been
no fatwa against Spencer.
3. *In 2007*, CAIR wrote a lawyer's letter to YAF (see my previous posts),
*a fortiori*,
the 'may Allah...' is nothing to do with that
4. There is no lawsuit. Mike, there is no lawsuit.
Lawrence, you are lying or you have all this totally wrong. Even your own
usual sources --
lgf, jihadwatch, nro, whatshername -- lend no support to your story.
From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: One of the better fatwa's
Date: 08 August 2007 21:30
LH:
>>If I have offended your Leftist sympathies for the Jihadists and
Islamists, feel free to send me your fatwa.
No, you haven't offended my leftist sympathies for anyone or anything, I was
just curious as to why you sent the post. Was it just another rant against
Islamists? That's what I assumed at first, but then you did quote from
someone as if that were evidence of something. -- I couldn't figure out what
the something is. I've never heard of Spencer so I can't comment on whether
or not I think the lawsuit is justified or not. The titles of his books
suggest that he is an intolerant bigot, but one can't go by that, perhaps he
was being ironic. If your motive was to get a good laugh at the idiot who
spoke of ripping Spencer's spine, etc, well, you know, we have Rush Limbaugh
and Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter, they have their idiots as well. Trash
talking is the solace of the impotent. I pay it no mind.
Mike Geary
Memphis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:29 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: One of the better fatwa's
Mike
Well, the point I thought was obvious, namely that the Jihadists aren't
able to make the logical connection; they can't think logically -- or they
don't give a rat's ass about logic. The offense (according to the
Islamists) was that Spencer argued that Islam isn't tolerant, and isn't a
religion of peace. The Islamists responded by the fatwa ""May Allah rip out
his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both
back, and then do it over and over" which demonstrates Spencer's point.
Such a Fatwa is neither tolerant (they don't want Spencer to write any more
such books) and isn't peaceful. I find this amusing. My point is that it
is funny. This is one of the funnier sequences moving from the offense
(Spencer's books and articles) to the response (which proves the point of
Spencer's books and articles).
Lawrence
------------Original Message------------
From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, Aug-8-2007 12:14 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: One of the better fatwa's
What's your point, Lawrence?
Mike Geary
Memphis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: Lit-Ideas
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] One of the better fatwa's
One of the most active anti-Islamists I've run across is Robert Spencer.
He wrote such books as The Myth of Islamic Tolerance: How Islamic Law Treats
Non-Muslims, Religion of Peace?; Why Christianity is and Islam isn't, The
Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), and The Truth about
Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion.
Anyway, the Islamists have had enough of him. They've filed a lawsuit
against him: "A powerful Washington, D.C. law firm told YAF that Robert
was, in essence, a hate-filled liar and that CAIR had ordered the law firm
"to purse every available and appropriate legal remedy to redress any false
and defamatory statements that made" at the conference." [sic]
And I suppose to distance themselves from the hate-filled Spencer,
they've issued a fatwa: "May Allah rip out his spine from his back and
split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over
and over."
You've got to love their thought processes: You say we aren't peaceful
and tolerant? You can't get away with that: May Allay rip out your spine
from your back and split your brains in two, and then put them back, and
then do it over and over. You've got to love it.
Lawrence
ps: Where did I get this information? I was sent a letter asking me to
contribute to Spencer's legal defense fund. It was in that letter.
the idiot who spoke of ripping Spencer's spine
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Geary
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: One of the better fatwa's
LH:
>>If I have offended your Leftist sympathies for the Jihadists and
Islamists, feel free to send me your fatwa.
No, you haven't offended my leftist sympathies for anyone or anything, I was
just curious as to why you sent the post. Was it just another rant against
Islamists? That's what I assumed at first, but then you did quote from
someone as if that were evidence of something. -- I couldn't figure out what
the something is. I've never heard of Spencer so I can't comment on whether
or not I think the lawsuit is justified or not. The titles of his books
suggest that he is an intolerant bigot, but one can't go by that, perhaps he
was being ironic. If your motive was to get a good laugh at the idiot who
spoke of ripping Spencer's spine, etc, well, you know, we have Rush Limbaugh
and Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter, they have their idiots as well. Trash
talking is the solace of the impotent. I pay it no mind.
Mike Geary
Memphis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:29 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: One of the better fatwa's
Mike
Well, the point I thought was obvious, namely that the Jihadists aren't able
to make the logical connection; they can't think logically -- or they don't
give a rat's ass about logic. The offense (according to the Islamists) was
that Spencer argued that Islam isn't tolerant, and isn't a religion of
peace. The Islamists responded by the fatwa ""May Allah rip out his spine
from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and
then do it over and over" which demonstrates Spencer's point. Such a Fatwa
is neither tolerant (they don't want Spencer to write any more such books)
and isn't peaceful. I find this amusing. My point is that it is funny.
This is one of the funnier sequences moving from the offense (Spencer's
books and articles) to the response (which proves the point of Spencer's
books and articles).
Lawrence
------------Original Message------------
From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, Aug-8-2007 12:14 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: One of the better fatwa's
What's your point, Lawrence?
Mike Geary
Memphis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: Lit-Ideas
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] One of the better fatwa's
One of the most active anti-Islamists I've run across is Robert Spencer. He
wrote such books as The Myth of Islamic Tolerance: How Islamic Law Treats
Non-Muslims, Religion of Peace?; Why Christianity is and Islam isn't, The Po
litically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), and The Truth about
Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion.
Anyway, the Islamists have had enough of him. They've filed a lawsuit
against him: "A powerful Washington, D.C. law firm told YAF that Robert
was, in essence, a hate-filled liar and that CAIR had ordered the law firm
"to purse every available and appropriate legal remedy to redress any false
and defamatory statements that made" at the conference." [sic]
And I suppose to distance themselves from the hate-filled Spencer, they've
issued a fatwa: "May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his
brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over."
You've got to love their thought processes: You say we aren't peaceful and
tolerant? You can't get away with that: May Allay rip out your spine from
your back and split your brains in two, and then put them back, and then do
it over and over. You've got to love it.
Lawrence
ps: Where did I get this information? I was sent a letter asking me to
contribute to Spencer's legal defense fund. It was in that letter.
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