Lawrence -- Jung's "Book of Job" has a fascinating discussion of the Logos/Hagia and Sophia (Shekinah) -- which is relevant to the current dialogue, perhaps, in as much as Judaism perceives of Sophia/Shekinah as being the female aspect or attribute of Adonai, relating to what you describe below re. Christian perceptions of the Holy Spirit. My reading of the Koinei of John is that Logos = Yeshua, yeshua = logos. Some scholars postulate that John may have been an Essene (the same scholars who believe Yeshua participated to some degree in the Essene culture); that would tie in neatly in that the Essenes embraced Jewish mysticism, i.e. Kabbalism (no, not the variety touted by Madonna et al). Julie Krueger rambling On 10/1/07, Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I was going to cheat and share Mike's biscuit or something ... but the > link comes up as naught. ?? > > Julie Krueger > always loving bizarre languages ... or any languages at all... > (By the way -- long before John's Logos, and even before the Babel, came > the oral traditions of Bereshit -- Genesis -- Wherein Adonai simply says > "light" and "light is" .... much of Jewish tradition places enormous > emphasis on not just the word, but the letter, teaches that the words of > Torah existed before the existence of our world, that the Creation was built > upon the very letters of Torah, and then of course there's gematria. I'll > look up a quote of Heschel's that might interest you, John, tomorrow > sometime). > > On 10/1/07, David Ritchie <ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > On Oct 1, 2007, at 3:27 AM, Mike Geary wrote: > > > > > This list is motley great. Unable to sleep I get up at 4 am to > > > find some boring book to induce somnia, but just for the heck of it > > > I checked my emails. Bad mistake. First, there's Donal's legal > > > advice, David's cooking and politics, John's linguistics, > > > Lawrence's podhoretzing around the Middle East, and Andreas's > > > despair over Lawrence. Of course I just absolutely have to weigh > > > in on it all. > > > > Your middle-of-the-night diligence must be rewarded; all that > > flattery and fun deserves a biscuit or something. > > > > Here's an or-something, > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/INFREQUENT-bone-fairy-lovely-bairn-wonderful- > > sword_W0QQitemZ230175171145QQihZ013QQcategoryZ73465QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrd > > Z1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > Where does such language come from? > > > > Note that they ship the world. > > > > > > David Ritchie, > > Portland, Oregon > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html > > > >