[lit-ideas] Re: Mexican protesting
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:42:29 -0700
In regard to France, I have read similar comments in Jonathan Fenby's France
on the Brink, Jean-Francois Revel's Anti-Americanism, and Bruce Bawer's
While Europe Slept. Bawer spent a lot of time in Holland and Norway and the
same seems to be true in those nations, but worse in Holland. Oriana
Fallaci waxed in eloquent outrage about this sort of thing happening in
Italy (in her books The Rage and the Pride, and The Force of Reason).
Claire Berlinski generalizes about much of Europe in Menace in Europe, Why
the Continent's Crisis is America's Too. Perhaps her treatment of Germany
is most interesting. I've also encountered this common assessment in a
great number of articles. By the way, I have also read Daniel Pipes
Militant Islam Reaches America. The tenor of his book is different from the
other's I've mentioned. Certain things have happened here but as much as
anything they involve inattention. We do finally wake up and arrest the
Islamists for breaking our laws. We do have our multiculturalists, but they
are apparently not as pervasive as they are in continental Europe.
The head covering issue is always mentioned by those who argue that Islamic
is not making Islamic inroads into European society. It presented as a sign
that France is cracking down on Islamic intrusions, but France has probably
had more Islamic intrusions than any other European country. It invites in
immigrants and doesn't impose any requirements on them. They don't need to
have jobs. They don't need to speak French. They don't need to get a job.
Furthermore they can live in the Islamic enclave if their choice. Muslims
need to have their prayer time. They need to be off Friday. They need
halal food. They need you to not joke about anything they do or say,
especially not anything about Islam or Mohammad. Maybe you are used to
joking about Christianity, but you'd better not do that with Islam or we'll
burn your cars. We'll burn a whole bunch of cars. Then too, daughters are
mutilated at the desire of the parents with no interference. If someone
wants several wives, no one will arrest him. If a father needs to kill his
daughter to preserve the honor of the family, he will receive a light
sentence for doing so, because that is "there way," and their way (not the
French way which has laws against these actions) needs to be respected.
Lawrence
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From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Judith Evans
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:06 AM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Mexican protesting
LH>In continental Europe immigrants have had success in flouting the
LH>law, especially in forcing various nations to accept Islamic standards
LH>in lieu of their own. Europe has been fairly successful in restricting
LH>the influence of Christianity, but it hasn't been willing to apply those
LH>same restrictions to Islam.
Could you say a bit more, with citations, about both of these things (i.e.
restricting
Christianity and not restricting Islam) w/ref to (at least 2) European
countries?
(France's official secularism applies to all religions equally -- though I
have a feeling Christians are somewhat advantaged when it comes to
what can be worn in schools -- Britain is de facto secular but of course
England
has a Christian Established church. Britain has gaoled Muslim priests.
France wouldn't
have let those priests into the country in the first place.
So, well, you must be thinking of other countries.)
Oh yes. Car burning. There were some pretty heavy riots in France recently
and they got the law changed. They weren't mentioned here, presumably
because the rioters weren't Muslim.
Judy Evans, Cardiff
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Mexican protesting
Joseph,
A: No.
B: I hope not.
In continental Europe immigrants have had success in flouting the law,
especially in forcing various nations to accept Islamic standards in lieu of
their own. Europe has been fairly successful in restricting the influence
of Christianity, but it hasn't been willing to apply those same restrictions
to Islam. Why?
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