As I said, I no longer have the Marxist and Leftist library I once had so I am not able to readily produce the evidence. Please consider my statements (on that Marxist matters) assertions and not arguments. This isn't a big thing with me. That is, I recall certain "facts," but if I no longer have the books I got them from I can't prove them to you. On the other hand, I am not going to relinquish my belief in them without overwhelming proof. I don't quite recall how we got off onto this tangent. I suspect it was something Irene said. Be that as it may, it isn't something I'm studying now and I am quite content to have you think any thing you like about it. The issue of Slavery was not at the forefront in regard to the Cessation Movement that led to the Civil War. In fact I probably first learned that from a Marxist. Economics were at the root of the States Rights concerns. The North controlled the transportation and squeezed the South in regard to the shipping of goods to European markets. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judith Evans Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:47 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Marxi's influence in America --- Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Irene, > > > > I can see you put a cake out in the rain, but it > isn't mine. I was talking > about Marxist influence in America, not Communist, > in the previous note. I'm glad to see the distinction, Lawrence; but my problem with your replies in this thread is that almost anything that is in some way similar to something Marx said or that conforms to his ideals can be seen by you as inspired or influenced by Marx, Marx/Engels, Marxism, absent 100 per cent proof to the contrary. That does not matter politically to me -- after all, I am a socialist inspired by the early Marx and to me, Marxist is not a dirty word -- but still, it matters. (I accept that you produced a quotation re the 8-hour day.) you wrote >The Civil War was begun over States Rights and not Slavery. But the States Rights at issue were bound up with slavery. Judy Evans, Cardiff ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html