[lit-ideas] Re: Griceiana
- From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 21:00:41 +0100
Well, at least you are there, I was beginning to wonder if JL and I were
alone here.
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Paul Stone <pastone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> And they are STILL talking about him 15? Years later! I think Grice has
> overtaken Willy Wagglesword as the most written about author in
> history...and that's just counting jls' posts!
>
> Also contributing nothing
> On Mar 14, 2015 3:35 PM, "Mike Geary" <jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> My favorite play on Grice's name was Paul Stone's : "Jesus Grice!" I
>> could hear him he crying out. Ah, yes, long live his glory and long may
>> his story be told.
>>
>> My philosophy is quite simple: I don't know. And I probably never will
>> know, but that's OK, I'm having fun anyway.
>>
>> So, even though this message would not qualify for publication here were
>> there Relevance-Police monitoring this List, the case of the world is
>> that there are no Relevance-Police monitoring this list and so this message
>> will be posted to this List even though it makes no contribution to
>> philosophy or literature. Indeed, were this List the least bit
>> self-respecting, I would have been banned from posting anything here long
>> ago. But because it is not so monitored and I have not been so banned,
>> then I have been able not only to post, but to get a kick out of all the
>> wild wording this List lets loose like doves from a cage at some
>> celebration. I salute all you indefatigable word weavers out there.
>> You've dressed my ignorance in some mighty fine garments, I must say. And
>> I did say. And you make me jealous that I'm not so refined. My threads are
>> all a-tangle. I snip them here.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Grice" is a Scots and northern English dialect word originally meaning
>>> "young pig" (compare the Scandinavian gris, meaning "pig").
>>>
>>> As it happens, that is just ONE possible explanation. The alternative
>>> one,
>>> which I hold, and Grice held, is that it's Anglo-Norman, and related to
>>> the
>>> colour 'grey', or 'gray', if you must. Cfr. Italian 'griso',
>>> 'grisatoio',
>>> 'grisetta'.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Well, I can see how Grice would have prefered that explanation. It is
>>> not very pleasant to be associated with a type of swine, particularly one
>>> that is: "voracious in the extreme, and excessively difficult to
>>> confine in pasture or to fatten... also destructive and mischievous." And
>>> if the talk about causality thoeries and implicatures went too far,
>>> neighbours could start "grumbling about the behaviour of ... grice" and
>>> the courts might be forced to move "confiscate particularly troublesome
>>> pigs, and to impose "hefty fines" on their owners.[5]
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grice#cite_note-NewScientist2006-5>" "
>>>
>>>
>>> O.K.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Redacted sender Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx
>>> for DMARC <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In a message dated 3/14/2015 3:10:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx writes:
>>>> "Grice" is a Scots and northern English dialect word originally meaning
>>>> "young pig" (compare the Scandinavian gris, meaning "pig").
>>>>
>>>> As it happens, that is just ONE possible explanation. The alternative
>>>> one,
>>>> which I hold, and Grice held, is that it's Anglo-Norman, and related to
>>>> the
>>>> colour 'grey', or 'gray', if you must. Cfr. Italian 'griso',
>>>> 'grisatoio',
>>>> 'grisetta'.
>>>>
>>>> Now, puns abound. My favourite is Kemmerling's. He speaks of 'gricing'
>>>> as a
>>>> special type of communication -- that disallows sneaky elements. The
>>>> opposite is 'disgricing'. Dennett has
>>>>
>>>> grice
>>>>
>>>> as a noun meaning
>>>>
>>>> Conceptual intricacy.
>>>>
>>>> "His examination of Hume is distinguished by erudition and grice."
>>>>
>>>> Hence, griceful, adj. and griceless, adj.
>>>>
>>>> "An obvious and griceless polemic."
>>>>
>>>> pl. grouse: A multiplicity of grice, fragmenting into great details,
>>>> often
>>>> in reply to an original grice note.
>>>>
>>>> Grice should not be confused with Grice: both are philosophers but
>>>> Grice*
>>>> taught at Oxford while Grice** taught at UEA/Norwich.
>>>>
>>>> If you are doing a library (say) search you have to be careful: essays
>>>> with
>>>> titles like "Grice's contractual approach to morality" may refer to the
>>>> UEA/Norwich Grice -- even if H. P. Grice held a quasi-contractual
>>>> approach to
>>>> the conversational maxims, for example.
>>>>
>>>> * Herbert Paul; ** Geoffrey Russell.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Speranza
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