--- Andreas Ramos <andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > However, at the time, the neocons didn't realize > this, and with Bush Jr., they applied the > cure 20X; now we have utterly spectacular debt. It's > an entirely possible risk now that the > USA may collapse. One reason for the massive current > problems in the USA is Reagan's debt. > Bush Jr grew this huge debt yet larger. With such > massive debt ($2 trillion wasted in Iraq > so far), there is no money to fix anything in the > USA. A lousy $100 billion would fix the > entire medical system and all schools in the USA and > bring them up to European/Asian > standards. That's 5% of what we've poured into the > Iraqi sand. The Iraq War may end up > costing the USA $5 trillion dollars. > This isn't quite right. The $2 trillion is the projected total cost of war, that includes lost life expectancy, lost productivity due injury, and so on. The direct cost of running the military and so on, and what is adding to federal debt is somewhere around $100 billion a year (it is hard to get exact figures, which is a scandal at itself.) The federal budget deficit is however somewhere around $400 billion. As such that would not be such a big worry, but when you add the debt held by US consumers and the huge US trade and current acount deficit, it is a huge potential global problem (in case you are wondering why someone on the other side of the globe gives a damn.) I think what is happening is fairly obvious, we are experiencing fairly rapid productivity growth mostly driven by technology, although emerging markets like China play a small part. Productivity gains are ending into higher end of income scale (think top 1%), that is productivity gains are not translating into higher real wages. So there is excess of capital and due to stagnant incomes there is lack of demand (people with lower incomes have quite obviously higher propensity to consume rather than invest their income). See corporations buying their own shares back which basically means they are out of ideas on what to invest in, and the record low interest rates. What this leads to in Continental Europe is poor domestic demand, which holds the economy back and leads to unemployment. What is happening in USA (and in UK to lesser extent) is that the excess capital is being pushed into consumers who are willingly racking up more depth in order to consume more. The Federal Government (and States) are also piling up debt by collecting far less in taxes than they spend. The whole show is being financed mainly by foreign central banks and other investors, which hold for example 60% of federal debt (at $8 trillion and rising). China and other Asian nations along with the Gulf oil states are basically lending money to US consumers so they can buy more oil and consumer goods from them. Now from a business perspective, that your biggest customer is buying almost solely on credit is not good. And there is something perverse about developing nations financing developed nations and not the other way around, and also about borrowing to consume and not to invest. The current situation can not go on for ever and what can not go on forever will stop. The question perplexing economists is when and how. The following dialogue from Brad DeLong's blog is both funny and to the point: Agathon: Who look tired. Kapelikos: Freshly back from the other coast. Airline load factors are just too high. Agathon: Who were you talking to? Kapelikos: MegaBankCorp--their investors. Agathon: What were you talking about? Kapelikos: The usual--global imbalances. Agathon: And what did you say? Kapelikos: That the global economy is unbalanced--that current patterns of trade are unsustainable--that things that are unsustainable eventually, somehow, stop. What else can you say? Agathon: And the argument on the other side? I'm not sure I understand it. Kapelikos: I know I don't. Agathon: Is it roughly this? "U.S. real GDP is growing at about $400 billion a year. At a capital-output ratio of 3.5-to-1, that means $1.4 trillion of new America-located wealth each year. We can sell off $1 trillion of that every year to foreigners in order to finance our import bill. And still be richer than we were last year. What's unsustainable about that?" Is that the argument? Kapelikos: Could be. But that's incoherent--it misses the difference between the trade deficit and the current account. Ten years down the road the current-account deficit is not $1 but $1.4 trillion--$1 trillion of net imports and $0.4 trillion of interest, rent, and profits owed on foreign-owned property here. To hold the annual current-account deficit at $1 trillion requires that the trade deficit shrink, which requires that the dollar decline, which means that foreigners investing in America are making bad decisions. Agathon: And when do your models predict the dollar will fall? Kapelikos: 2003. Agathon: Three years ago? Kapelikos: Yep. Agathon: But as long as people believe the argument on the other side, the dollar doesn't decline, and the argument looks correct? Kapelikos: Yep--for one more year. Agathon: How many more yars are you going to be saying, "Wait just one more year"? Kapelikos: Until I can say, "I told you so." Agathon: Can't you be more specific than that? Kapelikos: Ok. How about this. International financial crises tend to come--currencies crash--when interest rates rise in the world economy's core. The Bank of Japan has just joined the ECB and the Federal Reserve in raising interest rates. Cheers, Teemu Helsinki, Finland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html